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Russian Tanks & Airstrikes in Ukraine
The Interpreter Magazine ^ | July 15th | Interpreter Live Thread

Posted on 07/15/2014 7:09:20 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans

From The Interpreter's Live Thread:

LB.ua reports that there are eyewitness reports of Russian armoured vehicles heading towards Donetsk.

They report seeing two columns of separatist fighters with military vehicles manned by Russians. LB describes reports of 34 tanks, 34 self-propelled guns and 2 BTR armoured personnel carriers.

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It may also be relevant to note that the howitzer carried by the Gvodzika, a D-30, is the same gun that the Russian military claimed to have identified as responsible for shelling on June 22.

The last paragraph is a reference to shelling that allegedly occurred in Russia. They accused Ukraine of shelling across the border and blowing up a house. Pictures and videos of the tanks that are coming in can be found at the link.

On the airstrikes, also reported in the same thread:

The town of Snezhnoye, which lies close to the Russian border in the Donetsk region, was bombed this morning, destroying two residential buildings and a tax office.

Novosti Donbassa reports that the press office of the Donetsk Regional Administration (DonOGA) has announced that the first reports of the collapse of a residential building came in at 6:35 (3:35 GMT) this morning.

12 flats had been destroyed in the building at 14 Lenin Street. Rescue teams are on the scene.

As of 10 am (7 GMT), the DonOGA reported that 4 people had been killed and another 4 had received injuries of varying severity.

The Ukrainians aren't identifying the source of the strikes, though their aircraft have apparently been grounded since yesterday due to one of them being shot down by the Russkies. This is not a western Ukrainian city, but one on the East right on the Russian border.

Follow the Live-thread throughout the day for further developments.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: golitsyn; invasion; newliesforold; putin
For anyone who might think it's strange for the Russians to attack their own people, they should remind themselves of Soviet/Communist history, and become familiar with people like Alexander Litvinenko, the fellow who was poisoned with Polonium 210 a few years back. From an article discussing the Russian apartment building attack:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/nov/22/finally-we-know-about-moscow-bombings/

In 2000 Sergei Kovalev, then the widely respected head of the Russian organization Memorial, observed in these pages that the apartment bombings in Russia in September 1999, which killed three hundred people and wounded hundreds of others, “were a crucial moment in the unfolding of our current history. After the first shock passed, it turned out that we were living in an entirely different country….”1

The bombings, it will be recalled, were blamed on Chechen rebels and used as a pretext for Boris Yeltsin’s Kremlin to launch a bloody second war against Chechnya, a republic in the Russian Federation. They also were crucial events in promoting Vladimir Putin’s takeover of the Russian presidency as Yeltsin’s anointed successor in 2000 and in ensuring his dominance over the Russian political scene ever since.

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Dunlop, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, seeks in his book to provide the “spade work” for an official Russian inquiry, if it ever were to be initiated (a highly doubtful proposition as long as Putin remains in power). He draws on investigative reporting by Russian journalists, accounts of Russian officials in law enforcement agencies, eyewitness testimony, and the analyses of Western journalists and academics. The evidence he provides makes an overwhelming case that Russian authorities were complicit in these horrific attacks.

This is why Russian media promotes Truthers like Alex Jones. It's projection.

1 posted on 07/15/2014 7:09:20 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Thank you for this link.

I appreciate the confirmation:
“Dmytro Tymchuk of Information Resistance wrote on his Facebook page that “based on Information Resistance’s operational data,” the explosions were the result of an air strike.

He noted that, following the downing of a Ukrainian Air Force An-26 yesterday, all Air Force flights in the ATO zone had been suspended.

That decision was confirmed today in an announcement by Vladislav Seleznyov, the spokesman for the ATO:

“All aircraft have been grounded since yesterday. While the investigation is under way, there are several versions.”

Tymchuk also commented that, according to his groups data, the separatists lack any aviation capacity, despite recent claims to have captured a Ukrainian Su-25. We also note the lack of any separatist-held airstrips to launch aircraft from.

He concluded that the air strike on Snezhnoye could only have come from a Russian aircraft.

This suggestion was echoed by Andrei Lysenko, the spokesman for the Ukrainian National Security and Defence Council (SNBO).

According to Ukrainska Pravda, Lysenko told reporters at a briefing today:

“Today, at approximately 7 am, an unknown aircraft bombed the town of Snezhnoye in the Donetsk region. The bombs fell right on the central street of the town - Lenin Street.”

Having repeated Seleznyov’s announcement that all Ukrainian Air Force operations in the area had been suspended following yesterday’s loss, Lysenko said:

“Therefore this morning’s attack on Snezhnoye qualifies as a cynical and bloody provocation, aimed at discrediting the Ukrainian military.”


2 posted on 07/15/2014 7:36:35 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

For what its worth, both sides have plenty of the same 122mm howitzers. It was standard issue in the old Soviet Army and the Ukranians are still mostly using ex Soviet arms. So none of that sort of analysis is definitive.


3 posted on 07/15/2014 8:30:37 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Russia will gain the outcome that Russia desires.


4 posted on 07/15/2014 9:20:39 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Donetsk residents claim that on the roof of the House is the 2 machine gun mounted by terrorists


5 posted on 07/15/2014 9:40:30 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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