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Kiev is, of course, denying that it was their forces, but there has been heavy fighting at both of the crossings next to this town, as Kiev tries to take them back from the rebels.
1 posted on 07/13/2014 9:41:43 AM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

Another propaganda source? /sarc


2 posted on 07/13/2014 9:44:15 AM PDT by McGruff (There's none so blind as those who will not see)
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To: tcrlaf; 1rudeboy; McGruff

Correct me if I am wrong on this... Elected government of Ukraine forced out by protesters; Russia & government of Ukraine that was formed somehow get into it; people in the eastern part of Ukraine vote with Russia but the west says this election (like the first one) doesn’t count; a truce is called; the current Ukraine government calls off the truce and fighting resumes.

The elected but deposed government is not considered to be the legitimate government, but the one that somehow formed and took over is. Both elections have been called illegitimate by the US because it didn’t like the results. The protesters who overthrew the elected government are legit, but the people who are opposed to the I-don’t-know-how-it-came-about government are rebels. And Russia is the only dishonest player in this?

Would someone explain to me how we know who is what, what is going on, and why anyone believes what really happens in this conflict? Does it not appear to the rest of the world that the US only promotes democracy when the people it wants to win are elected? And why do we trust any government, including our own, to tell us the truth?

As someone said, the first casualty of war is the truth.


4 posted on 07/13/2014 9:57:48 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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The irreversible consequences were triggered when KGB Putin invaded Ukraine unprovoked and occupied her territory. Brutal war with no end end sight between Russia and Ukraine is now inevitable. This war will be fought not just in Ukraine, but in Russia. Russians will pay a price in blood for their stupid evil savagery.


16 posted on 07/13/2014 11:28:18 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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Russia has invaded Ukraine, Ukraine has not invaded Russia. I pee on your Russian bullshite propaganda.

Ukrainians are being killed in Ukraine by Russians. Russians have been killed in Ukraine but they would not been killed killed if they had stayed in Russia.

The remaining group is a bunch of paid Russian psychopaths that everyone in Ukraine wants dead. The sooner that happens the better.


46 posted on 07/13/2014 1:24:59 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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By daybreak, forces under Russian control will have secured the N-S gas pipeline trunkline that passes near Donetsk, and all territory east to the Russian border, which is Russian speaking. Putin probably told Merkel at the World Cup match that he would be taking care of the threats to Russian transit gas crossing Ukraine. The EU could care less about Ukraine.

Reminds me of the Russian invasion of Georgia during the Olympics in Beijing.


107 posted on 07/13/2014 7:41:04 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: tcrlaf

Didn’t Hitler manufacture a phony incident in Poland to justify his invasion?


137 posted on 07/14/2014 3:39:04 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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Some really nasty shelling of Lugansk today...July 14, 2014...Kiev’s taking advantage of the distraction of the news over what’s happening in Gaza and just hammering Lugansk.

https://www.youtatch?vube.com/w=11L8cOk00So#t=32


141 posted on 07/14/2014 8:52:44 PM PDT by caww
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