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To: SeekAndFind

The only question I have is, what actual result to we get if the House impeaches a dozen officials, or even the President?

I mean, Bill Clinton will forever be known as the “impeached president”. But he is a hero to his party, and to a majority of the nation if polls are to be believed.

He pulled down over $100 million in speaking fees. That’s the kind of “punishment” anybody would love.

We’ll spend a year LOOKING like we are doing something, but the Senate will do NOTHING about any of it. We had a majority and couldn’t convict a President who actually had a court conviction.

I agree with Andrew that these are impeachable offenses, and that is what the founders expected.

But they did not expect that the Senate would be the lapdog of a President from their own party. They thought the Senate would be strong in defending their own institution.

They did not expect so many dishonorable men and women to be put in a place of such power. The especially didn’t expect the states to shoot themselves in the foot (of course, they didn’t think states would be stupid enough to agree to popular election of senators either).

The court case will probably do nothing either. BUT, a court may WELL rule against Obama. And the media may well pick up the story. It may help a little bit. Probably won’t.

What we need is for the people of this country to care, and al they care about is how much money they can get from hard-working “others” who they don’t know and think cause all their problems.

When a majority of the people can legally steal from the minority, your country will fail. We are failing. How do you train the next generation to give a damn, when the means of training are tightly controlled by your enemy?


9 posted on 06/28/2014 7:40:20 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Obama has had TWELVE US SUPREME COURT CASES decided against him. I would say that the US Supreme Court is not putting up with Obama’s shenanigans! With that kind of track record, thus far, we stand a very good chance!


12 posted on 06/28/2014 7:57:40 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Boehner Is Bringing a Whistle to a Gunfight

"When you strike at a king, you must kill him." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Boehner is acting similarly to Romney in 2012--and no, to anyone reading this, I am not suggesting in any way that President Obama should be assassinated. That would be an unethical act on its face, and would also have the political effect of turning Obama into a perpetual martyr (cf. Lincoln, Kennedy(s), King).

I am suggesting, however, that when the lawsuit fails--and it will, because it should, because the Judicial branch of the government is not constitutionally positioned as the arbiter between the Legislative and Executive--that will only embolden Obama further.

A lawsuit that is thrown out will accomplish nothing but strengthen Obama's position in the remaining years of his administration. By the same token, impeachment without conviction and removal from office of any in the administration will accomplish nothing but strength Obama's position in the remaining years of his administration.

The House had its chance to "kill the king" in 2011 by defunding Obamacare and then sticking to its guns, but it punted in the expectation that the Court would strike down Obamacare, and when the Court didn't, that emboldened Obama to unconstitutionally revise Obamacare every time it has suited his political purposes.

Romney had his chance after the first debate in 2012, but he punted in the expectation that conservatives who voted for McCain would vote for him, and when they didn't, that emboldened Obama to unconstitutionally decide which laws he would and would not enforce, every time it has suited his political purposes.

The House again had its chance in 2013 in the "government shutdown" to force Obama's hand concerning the petulant decisions such as closing the WWII Memorial, but they didn't bring a political bomb to the gunfight, but rather waited until they were thoroughly discredited in the public mind. This emboldened Obama further, so that now he is unconstitutionally acting in numerous ways, from the border to Bergdahl to the IRS/EPA coverup and everything else we know--and probably some things we don't know.

If you mean to kill the king, kill the king--and again, anyone reading this, I don't mean assassinating Obama, period--but when you attack Obama you better take him down, otherwise, you only embolden him.

And one more thing:

But they did not expect that the Senate would be the lapdog of a President from their own party. They thought the Senate would be strong in defending their own institution.

Part of the reason for this was that the Senate was supposed to be chosen by state legislatures, and so the Senators would reflect the landed oligarchy: men who could afford to be involved in DC for six years, "giving back" to the nation that protected their negative rights. The Senate today, by contrast, has become nothing more than a more-establishment-version of the House.

22 posted on 06/28/2014 9:24:34 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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