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To: annalex; daniel1212
pretend to not understand the issue

See, this is why your "apologetic" must fail. That is a patently false accusation. I have understood it exactly the way Daniel understands it. This understanding is both honest, and I believe friendlier to the text. Do you honestly think God will bless a ministry founded on false accusation? Yes, we disagree. The disagreement is REAL. We really SEE it the way we're saying it. There is no pretense here. I urge you to reconsider this approach. It violates the rules of the forum (making it personal) and it violates common decency, without which you have no chance of making a case with fair-minded individuals. Not that I want you to. Your system is fatally defective. Who I am sad for are the lurkers. There might be atheists, or Muslims, or literal pagans looking over these pages. I am embarrassed on their behalf that such vile discourse is associated in any way with the name of Christ.

168 posted on 06/23/2014 6:21:36 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer; daniel1212

You really understand “justification is by faith alone” and “justification by faith alone is possible” to be equivalent statements friendlier to the text?


169 posted on 06/23/2014 6:26:04 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Springfield Reformer
The disagreement is REAL. We really SEE it the way we're saying it. There is no pretense here.

But like their church, reality is what the RC apologist sees it as, and thus careful analysis which reconciles the texts is obfuscation, etc., while RC theology abounds with qualifications and distinctions such as btwn between "actual grace" and "sanctifying grace" and Latira, and hyperdulia, and "no salvation outside submission to the pope" before Vatican 2; then "separated brethren/members of Christ's body" and "Catholics and Muslims adore the same God (god)"

[There are a] multiplicity of theological positions present within the Catholic Church. These positions vary according to which premises or postulates are used in reflecting on the sources of revelation, according to the methodology employed, and according to the cultural tradition within which theology does its speculation. On the first bases, the two principal philosophical premises are the Platonic, stressed in Augustinianaism; and the Aristotelian, emphasized in Thomism. On the second level, theologies differ in terms of their mainly biblical, or doctrinal, or historical, or pastoral methodology. And on the third basis, the culture of a people helps to shape the theology they develop, as between the more mystical East and the more practical West, or the more reflective Mediterranean and the more scientific Anglo-Saxon. — http://www.catholicreference.net/index.cfm?id=35612

I am embarrassed on their behalf that such vile discourse is associated in any way with the name of Christ.

Indeed, as even if such RC assertions are correct, in the light of their often-seen reactionary venom in response to reasoned opposition, of haughty arrogance and despiteful scorn that is resorted to, who would want what they have?

174 posted on 06/23/2014 8:20:29 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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