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To: boatbums

Without the Roman Catholic Church there would no Bible for you to read. Why not give credit where credit is due. Or does the hatred run so deep you can’t acknowledge historical fact that a 5th grader can look up.


141 posted on 06/22/2014 4:14:09 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself")
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To: NKP_Vet; boatbums

You know, today’s sermon was about the Good Samaritan. What is it that defines the Christian’s obligations to one’s neighbor? It is compassion, of course. In these debates we see a great deal of passion, but that is not COMpassion, a feeling WITH someone else. Jesus had compassion, even on those who did not fully understand His work and mission.

What troubles me is here, after all this open debate, you still resort to accusations of hatred, when you absolutely must know it is compassion that drives us to share the true Gospel with you. We want everyone to know the joy of liberty in Christ, redemption, forgiveness, peace, and joy of the Holy Spirit. How can you equate that to hatred? I do not understand it. Even if you thought we were wrong (which you obviously do), wouldn’t you still be obligated to “love your enemy?” And wouldn’t that love demand fair treatment, making it wrong to falsely accuse us of hatred, when it is really love that drives us?

As to your argument, it has been conclusively refuted here repeatedly, and not out of hatred, but out of a love for truth, and for people who need to know the truth. God had already provided His people Israel with the “oracles of God,” the record of God speaking to humanity concerning His plan of redemption, well before there was a Roman See (unless you wish to say the Jews were Catholic). Certainly God Himself added to that body of truth with the apostolic writings, and all the church of God, the truly [c]atholic (”universal”) ecclesia (”called out ones”) had long recognized those writings centuries before the Roman See had risen to assert itself.

So no, we have the Bible, not because Rome decided to jump on the bandwagon in recognizing Scripture, but because God Himself moved holy men to write down His words, for the benefit of all the faithful, the extravagant claims of Johnny-come-latelies like the Roman Officium notwithstanding.


142 posted on 06/22/2014 4:44:49 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: NKP_Vet

Well, then, I guess the early Catholic church lied then when it put in the Bible that Catholics take credit for that ALL Scripture was God breathed.

Now we have Catholics saying that the CHURCH gave us the Bible.

So which version of church history out of the church that never changes, is correct?


144 posted on 06/22/2014 5:17:11 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: NKP_Vet; boatbums
>>Why not give credit where credit is due.<<

Yes, let’s do. God gave us scripture. In that scripture we are told that He would preserve His word. May I remind you that God used Judas, Balaam’s donkey and Herod to promote His will? Taking credit away from God will not turn out well for Catholics.

146 posted on 06/22/2014 6:24:15 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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