Posted on 06/17/2014 4:24:37 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
The names, ages, and causes of death of all 796 children who died at St. Mary's Home ... in Tuam, Co. Galway from 1925 to 1960 have been published in full, below.
The list is long, and reading it is a horrifying heartbreaking experience - though nowhere near as horrifying as the short lives of the children who died, or as heartbreaking as the sheer number of lost little lives.
When she began her research, Catherine Corless ... the local historian who set out to uncover the truth about the bones buried at the site of the former Mother and Baby Home, had no idea the number of deaths would be that high.
As she told Irish Central's Cahir O'Doherty ... she was simply looking for records - something neither the Order of the Bon Secours nuns, who ran the home, nor the Western Health Board, were able to help her with.
"Eventually I had the idea to contact the registry office in Galway. I remembered a law was enacted in 1932 to register every death in the country.
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(Excerpt) Read more at irishcentral.com ...
Maybe it would be productive for someone to investigate if there are any records of burial for anyone during the time period in question.
Honest question: are there records of burial for most people in the area? What kind of form would these records take (where would they be found?). At the mortuaries in business at the time? Are these mortuaries still in business? Does the (Irish) government keep records of burial?
It honestly doesn’t seem to me to be a public record. I get the impression records of burial are kept by the mortuaries that did the burying (for purposes of billing). So if they aren’t in business anymore such records may be lost, not just for the children in question but everyone for the time period.
I really don’t know. So please don’t castigate me if what I’m saying is stupid.
I’m not going to castigate anyone who asks an honest question. It’s reasonable to step back to see if a lack of burial records actually does mean what it’s been taken to mean.
I’ll defer back to Catherine Corliss, the local Tuam historian who researched the matter. If I’m recalling correctly, there were two infant deaths from that home with grave sites that she located in nearby cemeteries due to burial records.
I’m sure I’ll be corrected if mistaken.
Thank you.
I recall that too (that two burials were located from records) but it still leaves open the question (doesn’t it?): where did those records come from?
Not again? This is getting old.
County Galway is my understanding.
Get your story straight! Do you say I'm "lying" about what you DID strongly assert or that the numerous examples provided to you didn't qualify as "examples of bigotry" in your view? Here's a test:
If some poster states:
Catholics lie and obfuscate to defend their pitiful superstitions
Would you call this an example of anti-Catholic bigotry? Yes or no?
“Would you call this an example of anti-Catholic bigotry? Yes or no?”
Don’t ever try to pull that “yes or no” crap on me. You haven’t the intelligence or the education to back me into a corner.
You show me where a Catholic said, “Catholics lie and obfuscate to defend their pitiful superstitions,” then *maybe* if I’m feeling charitable I will try to explain the situation to you.
“Do you say I’m “lying” about what you DID strongly assert or that the numerous examples provided to you didn’t qualify as “examples of bigotry” in your view?”
Let me take a second to try an understand what point you’re trying to make, so poorly.
Hmph. Well, it looks as though, after I have said it in plain English so many times, you might finally be starting to grasp that the “examples” provided did not qualify as examples of bigotry in the opinion of any sane, objective, sufficiently intelligent person.
Sorry, should have been “You show me where a Catholic said, “Protestants lie and obfuscate to defend their pitiful superstitions,” then *maybe* if I’m feeling charitable I will try to explain the situation to you.”
“So please don’t castigate me if what I’m saying is stupid.”
What you’re saying is not stupid. However, your suspicion that the lynch mob has any interest in discovering the truth might be a little naïve.
“The truth on my right hand, dsc on my left.”
Well, if you perceive something biting you on the butt, it must be me, because you are unable to see the truth under those circumstances.
“What I want to know is why (people) on a conservative message board have joined forces with the liberal media to AUTOMATICALLY convict these nuns before any investigation has been completed.”
When people speak of leftism, they are usually referring to economic leftism (which makes a people poor), political leftism (which enslaves a people), and social leftism (which robs a people of moral standards and artistic discernment).
There is, however, another form of leftism—one that is rarely called by its name. This is theological leftism, and it may be the worst of them all, as it leads one away from God while insisting on its own superiority to “outdated tradition.”
Now, we know that all leftism is of and from Satan. We observe how the proponents of leftism lie constantly, attempt to deceive, coerce those who won’t be deceived, and extol the tolerance of evil-including abortion, divorce, sodomy, promiscuity, and even mass murder. This is true as well of theological leftism. It seeks to foment disobedience to God by appeal to a “more modern,” and therefore superior, “understanding” of the Bible.
When we seek to discern whether a given premise or movement is theologically leftist, then, we can look for several telltale characteristics.
1. Does it claim an understanding of Scripture that is superior to what existed before?
2. Do its proponents rely extensively on falsehood when discussing differences?
3. Do its proponents engage in coercion, either inside our outside their own group?
4. Does it claim the moral superiority of the tolerance of evil, particularly that which allows the indulgence of the sin of lust (divorce, sodomy, promiscuity, etc)?
5. Above all, does it countenance the slaughter of the most innocent?
There are theological leftists within the Catholic Church, yes, but because its foundations are solid, they have been unable to bring it down. It appears that evil within the Church has reached its high-water mark, and is receding, laus Deo.
One need not look far to find churches that are totally under the sway of the five telltales listed above, and some within them display one more characteristic of theological leftism: blind, irrational hatred of the Catholic Church. When such people attempt to criticize the Church, they do so with all the hatred, illogic, and dishonesty shown by any other sort of leftist.
It is worth noting that one can be a theological leftist while retaining conservative beliefs in the economic and political realms.
Such humility!
Why is that DSC? Because any example of such bigotry must be crap and cannot possibly meet the high criteria you have for what qualifies as "bigotry"? You can't give a yes or no answer because you already DO realize that crap goes on here by your fellow Papists a lot of times and you refuse to acknowledge it since it would show your utter duplicity and hypocrisy on the subject. What started this so-called challenge of yours was your adamant and outraged insistence that anti-Catholic bigotry ran rampant here and Catholics were being picked on by "Protestant" Freepers with impunity and you poor persecuted Catholics NEVER lashed out with such against Protestants. Daniel1212 FreepMailed you a list and you balked at them.
You continue to make that same claim and refuse to see what a sane, objective, sufficiently intelligent person does. How laughable that you say you now will deign to consider whether such a posted comment qualifies as bigotry! I guarantee that if a non-Catholic had said those words you would have jumped on it like white on rice and decried anew your claims of persecution FRoman Catholics have to endure on this site. What a joke!
A Catholic said those EXACT words about "Protestants", here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3168037/posts?page=267#267. No doubt because they came from a Catholic TOWARDS a Protestant, it will NOT be seen as an example of bigotry and that very denial will demonstrate, once again, that you are incapable of charity OR objectivity. I don't have to back you into a corner, you did that all on your lonesome.
Post of the morning. Thanks for this thoughtful analysis. I could name a few “theological leftists” on FR, but they know who they are. When someone starts criticizing every doctrine of the Catholic Church, and are steadfast and never agree with anything the Church expouses, they are theological leftists of the first degree. A prime example is the pro-life movement in this country, started by Catholics after Roe v. Wade. But the Catholic-haters on FR will argue with you till the cows come home that Catholics didn’t start the movement anymore than protestants started it. For their hatred of the Catholic Church is so deep they refuse to give credit to Catholics for anything; unless a scandal comes along and they pile on and say “I told you so”.
Papist is a (usually disparaging) term or an anti-Catholic slur, referring to the Roman Catholic Church, its teachings, practices, or adherents.
I am qualified because I defend my faith against your lies and superstitions often. I catch you in obfuscation of the Holy Scripture with great regularity. Bigotry is hatred before knowledge; mine is denial because of knowledge. I know your pitiful theology and because I know it I resent it.
Why did you drag Daniel in here, by the way? If my post offended anyone it should have been BlueDragon.
That's a mental image that I can do without.
I have too many posts i am dealing with to search out the history of this, but i can document Catholics making fallacious charges, and habitually engaging in straw men and egregious extrapolations as well as insolent denial and claiming obfuscation in order to defend their "pitiful superstitions" or avoiding what refutes them, since Rome defines reality for them.
But we are not to carry past disputes from thread to thread.
LOL! I didn't DRAG him in here. He was involved in compiling a list of examples of anti-Protestant "bigotry" and sending them to a person who refused to acknowledge it goes on here - no doubt you agree with him.
As for your boasting of "catching" me "in obfuscation of the Holy Scripture with great regularity", that belongs in your own dream world. Just because you may disagree with what Scripture clearly states - because it goes against what your church has as its dogma - it doesn't mean I have obfuscated anything. How about a few examples of posts where you think I lied, obscured or confused a doctrine of Scripture?
You make derogatory statements towards ALL "Protestants" on a regular basis and, rather than basing this on "knowledge" - which would be impossible for you to have - you do so from an angry, hateful and intentionally offensive attitude and the more you post, the more thoroughly you confirm your bigotry. It is NOT an admirable character trait for someone who claims to be a Christian.
I don’t object your being pinged for whatever reason, I was just wondering about the poster’s motivation, given that you were the only one without recent posts to me.
I take the opportunity to encourage you to build a database of my posts.
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