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Chinese vessel rams and sinks a Vietnamese fishing boat
Video of event ^ | 6 June 2014 | Jeff Head

Posted on 06/06/2014 9:50:59 AM PDT by Jeff Head

What follows is a riveting video and set of pictures regarding the increasing tensions in the South China Sea.

We are not likely to know what went on before what is shown in the video that may have provoked the Chinese. But this is what happened in the South China Sea last month when a couple of Veitnames fishing vessels came too close to a Chinese operation:

Chinese vessel rams and sinks a Chinese fishing vessel - Youtube Video

Let's take a hard look at several of the frames of the video itself.

Large Chinese vessel chasing Down a small Vietnamese Fishing Boat:
From the video, you cannot see any appreciably smaller Chinese vessel near the Vietnamese vessel. In the two pics that follow, you can clearly see another vessel behind the Vietnamese vessel...which may or may not be Chinese. However, in the second picture, it is clear that this vessel, whomever it may belong to, is actually larger than the Vietnamese vessel. The Vietnamese vessel could have been harassing that vessel, we simply do not know. But the differences in size between those two tells you that the Vietnamese vessel was not a mortal hazard to that other vessel. That is clearly not the case with the size differential in what was chasing the Vietnamese vessel down.


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What you do see, and what is unquestionable, is that for whatever reason the much larger Chinese vessel chases down the smaller Vietnamese vessel, And it does not at all try and intercede itself between the two vessels. No, it is on the near side of the Vietnamese vessel, overtaking it. Why? It shows us. It very intentionally turns into the Vietnamese vessel. Anyone who has been at sea will know what that will do, when a larger displacement vessel turns into the side of a smaller vessel. Its simple physics.

Large Chinese vessel pushes Veitnamese vessel across its bow, sinking it:
The Chinese vessel does this once, and then, catches up, and does so again. Except the next time, it drives further abreast of the Vietnamese vessel, so as to get better leverage. This time, they are able to turn into it the Vietrnamese vessel far enough forward to use their own displacement to force the smaller ship across their bow and seriously impact it amidships.

The reesult is a fairly forgone conclusion.

The larger Chinese ship intentionally sank the smaller Vietnamese ship. It is clear that it intended to force the smaller ship across its bows because it repeatedly attempted just that and did not cease until it had accomplished it.

Numerous vessels stand by to assist Vietnamese sailors:
In the end, it appears that many vessels stood by to help the Vietnamese sailors who were put into the sea as a result.

Summary:
IMHO, unless that Vietnamese vessel had done something similarly life-threatening to a Chinese vessel or structure, there was no excuse for what happened here. Even if the Vietnamese ship was near a Chinese oil rig. Even if they harassed a Chinese vessel...unbless of course they tried something similar and put chinese lives at risk.

As stated, that larger Chinese vessel clearly did not simply intercede and place itself between the Vietnamese vessel and the other vessel behind it. It was on the wrong side of the Vietnamese vessel to do that. No, it clearly meant to hit, and turn the Vietnamese vessel.

It is clear that the larger Chinese vessel, for whatever reasons, chased down the smaller Vietnamese vessel on the high seas...which was clearly attempting to flee...and it turned into that vessel and pushed it across its own bow...and sank it.

As I say, we do not know the provocation...but that is clearly what happened, and, IMHO, it cannot be sugar-coated by anything on that video.

These tensions are going to continue to rise as the Chinese lay clim to the whole of the South China Sea and develop it to their liking depsite other nation's territorial claims and Economic devleopment Zones. Unbless halted, such occurances will ultimately lead to conflict.

Jeff Head
Idaho, USA
June 2014


TOPICS: Extended News; FReeper Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: asean; china; southchinasea; vietnam
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The chinese ar epushing their claims very hard...and very openly...in the South China Sea. Building Oil derricks, building entire ilsands on submerged reefs, more and more bases, and forcefully handling any of the smaller nations who oppose them.

Clearly, they have no fear of the US NAvy intervening...despite tough talk from the State Depatrtment and Hagel.

They've seen our current administration in action in Syria, the Ukraine, leading from behind in Lybia, in the retreat from Iraq and Afghanistan, in the "reset" woth Russia, and now with the travesty of an exchange with the Taliban. They know the words ring absolutely hoollow.

1 posted on 06/06/2014 9:50:59 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head

Waiting for the anti-Vietnam War protests to begin.

Not just in the US, but the UK as well.

Plenty of nations’ yutes went to protest that conflict.

Where are they today?


2 posted on 06/06/2014 9:52:17 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: Jeff Head

3 posted on 06/06/2014 9:57:40 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Jeff Head

There is a fairly simple response the Vietnamese could do. Give their fishing vessels a dozen RPGs. If the Chinese warship attempted to ram them, fire two salvos of six each, which would definitely put a crimp in the Chinese game plan.

The effective range of an RPG-7 is about 200 meters, 50% accuracy. At 50m, close to 100%. Its maximum range before self detonating is 1000 meters. So they would have to be very close to the Vietnamese ship to matter.

High Explosive anti-tank rounds can typically penetrate from 10-20” of steel, so they would likely be deep inside the ship before detonating.


4 posted on 06/06/2014 10:06:11 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: BenLurkin

When’s this douche gonna die? National Enquirer said he had 6 months to live a year and a half ago. They got my hopes up.


5 posted on 06/06/2014 10:10:00 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: miele man

book mark


6 posted on 06/06/2014 10:25:19 AM PDT by miele man
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

That would not work.

The Chinese have a much more powerful and heavily armed Coast Gaurd, Navy, and Air Force.

Escalating things like that with their surface vessels would lead to every Veitnamese vessel being sunk.

However, the Veitnamese have wisely purchased six new-build, most modern Kilo submarines from Russia. They already have 2-3 of them in service.

IMHO, they should surface one of these subs near one of these sites where the Vietanmese fishing vessels are protesting. Not fire any torpedoes or anything like that...just make sure the Chinese see them and are aware of their presence.

Then announce that in the future the Vietname submarines will protect Vietnamese vessels.

The Chinese are still relatively weak on anti-submarine warfare from their surface vessels, and the Vietnamese know this.


7 posted on 06/06/2014 10:48:07 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head

Bluff and bluster only works when only one side understands it. The Chinese are masters at “shouldering out” their competition, but only until they fight back effectively. Then they usually back off and try to engage elsewhere.

Were the Vietnamese to use one of their submarines, they should go for the gold, and use it to discreetly attack the oil platform. Not with torpedoes, but with other means. If they could sink it, the Chinese would be out a lot of money, and far less inclined to rebuild it.


8 posted on 06/06/2014 11:22:14 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Jeff Head

“....despite tough talk from the State Depatrtment and Hagel.”

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State Dept. and Hagel only frown, point accusing fingers, act irritated and write annoyed (or perhaps annoying) letters.

There is no mailed fist anywhere in the American arsenal and our enemies know it.


9 posted on 06/06/2014 11:36:48 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: a fool in paradise

>Where are they today?<

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They’re members of all three branches of guvmint.


10 posted on 06/06/2014 11:38:59 AM PDT by 353FMG
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Clearly, they have no fear of the US NAvy intervening...despite tough talk from the State Depatrtment and Hagel

So you would have the U.S. Navy escorting Vietnamese fishing boats?

11 posted on 06/06/2014 11:39:45 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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I would have the US Navy protecting free navigation of the seas.

What the Chinese are doing it trying to turn the whole of the South China Sea into their own bathtub and if we allow them to do so...it will ultimately impact us.

Of course, this will be after they shoulder aside Vietnam, the Philippines, Singapore, Malaysia and others if we stand by and do nothing.


12 posted on 06/06/2014 11:43:42 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
Of course, this will be after they shoulder aside Vietnam, the Philippines, Singapore, Malaysia and others if we stand by and do nothing.

What they are doing is forcing Vietnam, the Philippines, Singapore, Malaysia, Japan, and the other countries in the area to cooperate against China's aggression.

13 posted on 06/06/2014 11:48:09 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

That’s correct. And that is a good thing.

But of all of those, Japan is the only one who has a very strong navy. And they are fairly distant and without direct EEZ or sovereignty interests.

But they (Japan) and all of the others, including ourselves, do have very strong interests in freedom of navigation.

All of them are looking to the US for leadership[p...and, for the reasons I cited...we should be leading here. And from the front, not from behind.

If the US Navy and Japan, accompanied by the assets those other nations could also add, were to begin making regular, comprehensive patrols together in the SCS, making a point to be present at these flash points...most all of this would stop.

As it is, the strongest Navy in the Region outside of the US, the PLAN,is making its presence very clearly felt.


14 posted on 06/06/2014 12:03:07 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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All of them are looking to the US for leadership

Maybe they should be looking for a leader amongst themselves rather than being followers? At the end of the day they alone know what's in their best interest.

15 posted on 06/06/2014 12:16:54 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

We have alliances with several of those countries.

We have significant critical national interests in the Western Pacific...which all revolve around free passage on the high seas.

What the Chinese are doing in the South China Sea is tantamount to the Germans taking the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia before World War II...actually it is worse than that because there is no “Chinese ethnic population” to even give the pretense for an excuse.

I believe Japan and Australia are building up to face the growing power that China represents. The others are relatively small, but themselves are also doing what they can. They all look to us for leadership and to stand with them...and we should.


16 posted on 06/06/2014 8:15:34 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jim Robinson; Noumenon; joanie-f; Dukie; Squantos; JohnHuang2; DollyCali; RobFromGa; k.trujillo; ...

FYI...documented evidence of what is occurring in the South China Sea...amon other things.


17 posted on 06/06/2014 8:16:49 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for the ping!


18 posted on 06/06/2014 8:26:45 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Jeff Head

I’m sure Obama will issue a statement of disapproval while chewing a stick of gum.


19 posted on 06/06/2014 8:48:14 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Of COURSE bacon is good for you!!!)
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To: Jeff Head

Don’t forget to thank Bill Clinton, both Bushes and Obama for this episode.


20 posted on 06/06/2014 8:50:48 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Of COURSE bacon is good for you!!!)
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