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Businesses are going everywhere but New York
New York Post ^ | 05/26/2014 | By John Aidan Byrne

Posted on 05/26/2014 6:13:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 05/26/2014 6:13:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded


2 posted on 05/26/2014 6:14:03 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: SeekAndFind

For those who don’t know, Asbury, is the CEO of The Legacy Companies, has already brought back from China up to 40 of his company’s 300 jobs worldwide to various regions in the US. New York is not one of them.

Maybe our good friend, FReeper CNN can ask him how he did it since he’s always harping about bringing back American jobs (NOTE: He did it without the benefit of tariffs ).


3 posted on 05/26/2014 6:14:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
1. The business taxes must be horrific.
2. The personal income tax must also be horrific.

There are always some VERY common-sense reasons why businesses go where they go. It's not rocket science.

4 posted on 05/26/2014 6:15:38 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: babble-on

RE: Nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded

Singapore is arguably more dense. But businesses flock there ( Including many ex-pat Americans who sadly, renounced their US citizenships ).


5 posted on 05/26/2014 6:15:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: babble-on

Many small business types tend to be conservative. The governor saying that conservatives are not welcome in his state is a giant red flag to stay away.

Also, New York is one of those high tax states, run by liberals. If you are a conservative leaning businessman, the last place you want to commit to, is a place where the politicos see you as a source of deep pockets, to pay ever increasing taxes to fund ever increasing intrusive government programs.


6 posted on 05/26/2014 6:17:02 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (et)
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To: cloudmountain

How do you expect to do business when regulators operate like Fascists in broad daylight?

SEE HERE FOR INSTANCE:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2881390/posts

NYC bagel store fined for accidentally dropping sesame seeds on floor

THAT is just one example out of HUNDREDS.


7 posted on 05/26/2014 6:18:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I think the posting was a play on words; Yogi Berra supposedly made the remark, about a popular nightspot in NYC ;)


8 posted on 05/26/2014 6:18:57 AM PDT by jttpwalsh
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To: SeekAndFind

I would assume that Illinois and California would also be on the “do not inhabit” list as well.


9 posted on 05/26/2014 6:22:06 AM PDT by ducttape45
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To: babble-on
Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded

I'd go back there in a..."New York minute,"

However, I would stay where I stayed before at the Intercontinental on 44th Street between 8th and 9th Avenues.
It's WALKING distance to, well almost everything.

I even had my nails done there...and lo and behold, all the women in there were Chinese, just like so MANY places.

They may SAY that they are from some other place, but I can always KNOW if they are Chinese or not.

The secret? The Chinese are the only folks on this planet with round nostrils. All others have non-round nostrils. One only has to get the person to "look up."
I sometimes say: "LOOK! UP IN THE SKY!! It's a bird!!! It's a plane!! NO!! It's SUPERMAN!!!

Then, I can see the shape of their nostrils. All the other Asian Orientals have nostrils shaped like everyone else on the planet, sort of oblong.

10 posted on 05/26/2014 6:22:15 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: SeekAndFind

I grew up in New York and left for good in 1980.

I still have family there, and, living as I do in a more or less free state, I cannot believe how the fascist power of the state has grown over the past 34 years.

Gun control is the least of it. Do you know that of you are late with your (required) car insurance payment, there is mandatory notification from the insurer to the state, and that they can (and sometimes do) impound your car?

There are such a myriad of state-enforced dos and don’ts for every area of human activity (other than sexual), it’s hard to imagine how anyone can live there.


11 posted on 05/26/2014 6:22:45 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: ducttape45
I would assume that Illinois and California would also be on the "do not inhabit" list as well.

Not so with California.
Folks can go to the beaches in southern California OR go skiing in the mountains in the north, on the SAME day.
Now THAT is "choice."

Also, California has Hollyweird (a big draw), the Mexico crossing at Tijuana, some of the best pot in the world (in northern California since the Feds shut down their fishing and lumber industries), great fishing and great produce (Central valley)--just to name a few things.

All one needs is money. No, scratch that. Our welfare program is also HUGE.

12 posted on 05/26/2014 6:28:58 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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Congrats on a very smart move on your part. I guess jobs and family are one reason folks stay in places like NY, CA, IL. We live fairly close to the CA border and I can’t believe the cost of living (if you can call it that) in CA. Fifteen hundred sq/ft house for 500K? WTH? Taxes are ridiculous. Gas prices are ridiculous. Don’t think I’ll be going there any time soon.


13 posted on 05/26/2014 6:30:51 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: SeekAndFind

Having to move to NYC under De Blasio would be a complete insanity, an earthly hell for a small businessman like me.


14 posted on 05/26/2014 6:35:56 AM PDT by Bill W was a conservative (Profile, detain, interrogate, deport.)
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15 posted on 05/26/2014 6:37:44 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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I avoid going anywhere NEAR New York, particularly the city.

There are some good areas of NY but unfortunately it has been occupied by too many liberals.


16 posted on 05/26/2014 6:45:14 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: SeekAndFind

Their campaign to draw businesses to NY by a ‘no taxes for ten years’ will not work because smart businessmen know that the far left liberals in NY will use ‘fees’ to reclaim the money they lose in ‘taxes’.


17 posted on 05/26/2014 6:48:48 AM PDT by RetSignman
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To: cloudmountain
One saving grace of California is their gigantic technology industry. Why do you think home prices in the San Francisco Bay Area never cratered--the success of Apple, Facebook, Google and a number of biotechnology firms pretty much kept the state's economy from completely collapsing like what happened to a number of states.
18 posted on 05/26/2014 6:52:21 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: SeekAndFind
Those places WILL do themselves in. That is the "free market" system.

Our local health system is also RELENTLESS. It weeds out the lazy, incompetent, foolish and careless.

We have 4000 restaurants in a city of less than a million. Half of those places close every year.

Side note: more than half the closed-down restaurants are Chinese. Last month the health department closed down a very popular take-out Chinese, which got its food from its upstairs VERY popular restaurant.

They were BOTH closed down AND the place is NEVER, EVER, EVER, allowed to sell food again.
I had never seen THAT particular punishment before so the place must have been HORRIFICALLY filthy.

Sigh, it's all about money, innit?

Cleanliness COSTS and some folks are just too cheap to spend money on what they consider "unnecessary" expenditures.
I never eat Chinese any more. Even one of our close acquaintances, Chinese, won't go out to a Chinese restaurant. They are too filthy. She cooks at home.
SHE is the one who said, "Never sit at a table by the wall. You'll see the cockroaches climbing up and down. Sit in the center of the room."

19 posted on 05/26/2014 6:58:36 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Bill W was a conservative
Having to move to NYC under De Blasio would be a complete insanity, an earthly hell for a small businessman like me.

Yes, it would.

20 posted on 05/26/2014 6:59:22 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: babble-on

The crowd is made up of those too poor to escape, and those who prey on them.

Where is Snake Plissken?


21 posted on 05/26/2014 7:00:25 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: RayChuang88
One saving grace of California is their gigantic technology industry. Why do you think home prices in the San Francisco Bay Area never cratered--the success of Apple, Facebook, Google and a number of biotechnology firms pretty much kept the state's economy from completely collapsing like what happened to a number of states.

Very true.

It's also very true that the software industry in Silicon Valley has been INUNDATED with Indian software engineers. THEY will work for much less, longer hours and will, without doubt, send money home to India....then eventually bring their families here. That's show biz.

Property values don't seem to go down, do they? They actually did, a TINY bit. They will increase again.

22 posted on 05/26/2014 7:06:55 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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RetSignman:" Their campaign to draw businesses to NY by a ‘no taxes for ten years’ will not work because smart businessmen know that
the far left liberals in NY will use ‘fees’ to reclaim the money they lose in ‘taxes’."

Rumor has it that Hurricane Sandy funds we used to fund the NYS Governors commercial about business returning to NY
Gov. Cuomo proposes to return $250.oo to each NYS taxpayer immediqately prior to the Govenernor's re-election campaign.
It is all 'smoke and mirrors' as this is additional debt funded by debt bonds.
Additional fees: everytime you renew your car insurance in NYS , you pay an additional $15.oo to the State for each payment.
If you pay car insurance month to month, that is an additional $180.oo per year , just to be insured .
It is the hidden fees that wear you down .. !!

23 posted on 05/26/2014 7:11:59 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Political Correctness is Tyranny .. with manners ! Charlton Heston)
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To: cloudmountain
It's more than just taxes.

I've dealt with a number of businesses in light to heavy industries that fled New York State because they say it has the highest workers' compensation insurance rates in the nation -- by a huge margin.

The saga of the GE plant in Hudson Falls and the massive clean-up costs they've been forced to pay is another case in point about why New York is such a miserable place to do business.

24 posted on 05/26/2014 7:14:22 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: rktman

” Fifteen hundred sq/ft house for 500K? WTH?————”

We have that type of situation where I live in Eastern MA.
Absolutely ridiculous.

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25 posted on 05/26/2014 7:21:53 AM PDT by Mears
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To: Jim Noble
Do you know that of you are late with your (required) car insurance payment, there is mandatory notification from the insurer to the state, and that they can (and sometimes do) impound your car?

There are many characteristics of New York that make it a fascist state, but this isn't one of them. For all its flaws, New York has a reputation for having one of the most effectively regulated insurance industries in the nation -- which is why insurance companies often brag about their New York presence as a symbol of their stability.

The situation you describe isn't a symptom of a fascist state. It's a symptom of a state where insurance fraud is a major problem -- largely because it's filled with quasi-humanoid mutants who have no business living in a free, orderly society. They've figured out that an easy way to drive without insurance is to make one initial payment on an annual policy, get the insurance card to verify that they are insured, and then drive around for the rest of the year without making any more payments. The insurance company will cancel the policy, but that doesn't stop them from driving around and putting other people at risk without any insurance coverage.

26 posted on 05/26/2014 7:22:58 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I live in New York, and I used to run a business here. The income taxes are high, the sales taxes are high, the property taxes are high, the tax on gasoline is high, Worker’s Comp premiums were high. You have a ton of regulations and unions are strong here. Add to that a governor who says that being a conservative makes you unwelcome. You would have to be a fool to set up shop in New York (unless you get a massive subsidy, and even then).


27 posted on 05/26/2014 7:23:24 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: SeekAndFind

Singapore is arguably more dense. But businesses flock there ( Including many ex-pat Americans who sadly, renounced their US citizenships ).

Even with the Chewing Gum Ban ,LOL


28 posted on 05/26/2014 7:35:07 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: SeekAndFind

then New York is at the bottom of that list”

Not true, California is.


29 posted on 05/26/2014 7:37:33 AM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: SeekAndFind
I feel bad for the people living upstate, but there may be good news for them.

Without new industry, New York will need new tax revenue. The only realistic new source of revenue will be from oil drilling, which the state government will have to allow. They will have no choice.

And that will benefit the people who live upstate.

I know a guy who is buying up as much old farmland as he can.

30 posted on 05/26/2014 7:39:15 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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Businesses should be very clear to the leaders of New York.

“You are a socialist. You love socialism. You think it is great and will do all sorts of idealistic wonders, even though it has never successfully done so anywhere in the world despite being tried hundreds of times. But socialism is parasitical. It sucks the vitality and prosperity out of a place and leaves ruination, poverty, despair and misery in its wake.

“Now while we cannot control or change your fantasies about a failed 19th Century philosophy, we do not wish to be victimized by it or you, just because you have no pattern recognition and mentally live in a delusional fantasy world populated by hate-filled neurotics like yourself.”


31 posted on 05/26/2014 7:50:13 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: SeekAndFind

If Upstate NY was a separate state, you might see a thriving state, unfortunately itis ccontrolled by the NYC area.


32 posted on 05/26/2014 7:58:45 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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“You have a governor telling the world he doesn’t want conservatives in his state because you have to think like him — and you have a New York City mayor obsessed with raising taxes to pay for more entitlements. That is not sending a great message,”

It's maybe not a "great" message, but it is the "right" one.

33 posted on 05/26/2014 8:00:41 AM PDT by Gritty (Climate hysterics shriek on. Loud and apocalyptic is the only setting on the machine.-Mark Steyn)
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To: Jim Noble
...it’s hard to imagine how anyone can live there (NY).

I'm like you. I escaped in 1986 and never looked back. Heck, since my Mom died I don't even go back there for a short visit. New York (upstate, anyhow) used to be a great place to live. Now it is run by control freak Liberals. All they want to do is tax and exploit the peasantry and anybody else trying to still make an honest living.

I'm surprised they haven't put up barbed wire and guard towers to keep the few productive people who are left in there as tax slaves.

34 posted on 05/26/2014 8:11:13 AM PDT by Gritty (Climate hysterics shriek on. Loud and apocalyptic is the only setting on the machine.-Mark Steyn)
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To: SeekAndFind
Several years ago Exxon moved it s corporate headquarters out of Rockefeller Center in New York City to Irving, Texas. David Rockefeller, son of the founder of the predecessor companies to Exxon, John D. Rockefeller, built Rockefeller Center, so that is a particularly significant relocation.

More recently Exxon has begun moving employees in several East Coast locations, including Fairfax, VA (Near Washington, DC) and Parsippany, New Jersey to a campus being constructed north of Houston, Texas. This move involves several thousand employees overall.

When the largest public oil company in the world decides to disrupt the lives of thousands of employees, it is not done lightly, but after careful analysis.

One may not approve of Exxon, but they are capable managers of their investments and operating expenses. Their moves are very telling about the state of the East Coast, and New York in particular.

35 posted on 05/26/2014 8:32:00 AM PDT by LOC1 (Let's pick the best, not settle for a compromise.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Singapore is arguably more dense.

I can't think of any city more dense than Washington DC.

36 posted on 05/26/2014 8:32:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

I loved that commercial they were broadcasting recently.

At the same time the Mayor of NYC was telling conservatives to get the hell out.

Desperate Much NY?


37 posted on 05/26/2014 8:40:35 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: Alberta's Child

Having a paper insurance card still ‘proves’ you have insurance in NY state? How backward! Cops here check the database. Having an insurance card means nothing.


38 posted on 05/26/2014 8:43:53 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: RetSignman
Their campaign to draw businesses to NY by a ‘no taxes for ten years’ will not work because smart businessmen know that the far left liberals in NY will use ‘fees’ to reclaim the money they lose in ‘taxes’.

Yup. We've been hearing those ads in Texas for quite a while. No savvy business will move there. Just wait until that ten years is over and bend over.

39 posted on 05/26/2014 8:44:03 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: citizen

Even in NC. I got popped going 80 in a 65. DL was all that was needed. Registration and insurance are tied to it.


40 posted on 05/26/2014 8:46:20 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: rktman
I'm in the process of relocating to the NYC area and it looks like I'm going to spend $500k at a minimum to get a house there. The only saving grace is that I'm moving from the Boston area which is just as insane with regard to cost of living. I guess that's why I got the job. Candidates from most other parts of the country would just not be able to swing the housing cost - unless they want to live in Bronx or Queens.

I've been looking in areas around Greenwich, CT; Tarrytown, NY and Ramsey, NJ and see endless neighborhoods of million dollar homes. I wonder how it can be that so many people can afford to live there but apparently it is being done. NYC might be on the decline but it's still the largest metro area in the country by far.

41 posted on 05/26/2014 8:48:35 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: babble-on

People vote with their feet... New York’s becoming a liberal hellhole. Not as bad as Detroit, but on the way...


42 posted on 05/26/2014 8:51:08 AM PDT by GOPJ (Someone explain why {the MSM} uses the term liberal to describe totalitarian sociopaths? BruceinOz)
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To: eyedigress

Yep, it’s all in the database now. I’m not saying that’s a good thing but its just the way it is.


43 posted on 05/26/2014 8:52:38 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: SeekAndFind

This article is sooo wrong. California is at the bottom of my list. THEN New York.


44 posted on 05/26/2014 8:56:10 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: RetSignman
...the far left liberals in NY will use ‘fees’ to reclaim the money they lose in ‘taxes’.

Or do the same thing California did: decide they were losing too much money with their business-friendly tax laws and pass a new law guaranteed to bring in more revenue by deciding that the current laws were too lenient and pass a newer and more restrictive taxing scheme and make it retroactive.

So all those businesses that had saved so much in less taxes over the years now found themselves liable for several years worth of 'back taxes'.

45 posted on 05/26/2014 8:58:33 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: molson209; SeekAndFind

Maybe New York should institute caning and the death penalty for drug trafficking.


46 posted on 05/26/2014 9:00:50 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: SamAdams76

I get it. It’s just a shame you have to stay in a part of the country that was once the cradle of liberty, now a bastion of liberalism. I know there’s lots of folks in the northeast that, if circumstances permitted, would be long gone. Good luck with the move, house hunting and your job.


47 posted on 05/26/2014 9:03:45 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: citizen

No, not any more. That’s the way it USED to be — before they had the police linked to a central insurance database. That’s kind of what the poster was complaining about, as evidence of a “fascist state.”


48 posted on 05/26/2014 9:07:33 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: rktman
Well I look at it this way, maybe my conservative vote will mean something in the Northeast someday. Remember that a solid 40% of the Northeast votes against the Democrats. The pendulum doesn't have to swing as far as you think. We just need to change the minds of 10% of the people here to achieve parity.
49 posted on 05/26/2014 9:10:15 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SeekAndFind

Not sad. America has ALWAYS been about making your own choices. They chose differently from you.

But what’s sad, is that I can understand why they gave up being US Cits. . .


50 posted on 05/26/2014 9:18:47 AM PDT by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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