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Feds preparing to charge Bundy ranch supporters over Utah protest
RT.com ^ | May 14, 2014 21:12pm | Staff

Posted on 05/18/2014 2:29:20 AM PDT by blueplum

Federal officials have opened up an investigation into whether or not Cliven Bundy supporters damaged a protected archaeological site when they rode all-terrain vehicles through it during a weekend protest. On Saturday, hundreds of protesters gathered near southern Utah’s Recapture Canyon, voicing their opposition to the fact that the area has been closed to recreational vehicles by the Bureau of Land Management since 2007.

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As RT reported previously, the BLM had barred motorized vehicles from Recapture Canyon after it discovered an illegal trail that was built through Native American archaeological sites – home to artifacts, dwellings and other objects left behind by the ancient Pueblo tribe that were as old as 2,000 years.

According to Reuters, local sheriff’s deputies and undercover BLM agents kept an eye on the protest as it unfolded, gathering information for a probe that could lead to charges if damages are confirmed.

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For protesters, however, sealing off the park to motorized vehicles was yet another example of government “overreach” regarding public land. The man behind the protest – San Juan County Commissioner Phil Lyman – criticized the BLM not only for closing off Recapture Canyon, but also for not processing “right of way” requests that would’ve allowed vehicles to re-enter the area.

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"We’re not proponents of breaking the law," he said on Saturday. "This was a supervisor’s discretionary closure. It’s a county road. We claim it. Just because BLM owns the property, that doesn’t mean they own the right-of-way that exists."

Although Lyman – who said he orchestrated the protest as private citizen – expressed concern over the possibility that charges may be levied, it remains unclear if such a development will occur. He added that when he visited the site of the protest again on Sunday there was no damage noticeable.

(Excerpt) Read more at rt.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; lyman; recapturecanyon
This article is regarding last weekend in ReCapture Canyon. The Reuters story linked below adds that San Juan County had offered another parcel of land to the BLM in exchange for reopening the public road right-of-way but the BLM continues to stonewall.

I had to chuckle at Shelley Silbert, of the Great Old Broads for Wilderness Group: "It's not appropriate to ...go into the canyons with weapons." I suspect that's one "old broad" who's never encountered a rattlesnake or mountain cat or desperado out in the "wilderness" she's self-appointed herself an expert on.

link to mentioned Reuters article is here http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/13/us-usa-utah-showdown-idUSBREA4C10U20140513

1 posted on 05/18/2014 2:29:20 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: blueplum

Jury nullification - probability at least 99%, and BLM/Reid/Obama have to know it. They are somewhere on the spectrum between stupid and evil, but even they cannot be that stupid.


2 posted on 05/18/2014 2:52:28 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: blueplum

How about another guntoting ride? huh? Like that feds?


3 posted on 05/18/2014 3:05:02 AM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: blueplum

Charges should against the BLM for destruction of both govt and private property. Not to mention the bodily harm they caused.


4 posted on 05/18/2014 3:15:43 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: blueplum

“There’s an ATV in the park! Oh, noooooooo...”

The Obama government insists on embarrassing itself.


5 posted on 05/18/2014 3:23:34 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Pollster1

Ried is using the constitution and government power to prosecute American citizens while his son makes criminal dealings with China and OUR land.


6 posted on 05/18/2014 3:29:21 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: ronnie raygun

How about arresting the illegals who are protesting for the “Dream Act”? Legal citizens have no right to protest on federal lands?


7 posted on 05/18/2014 3:33:10 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: ronnie raygun

How about arresting the illegals who are protesting for the “Dream Act”? Legal citizens have no right to protest on federal lands?


8 posted on 05/18/2014 3:34:50 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: Jack Hammer

Only the ‘old broads’
get to trapse thru canyons unfettered,
little excavation brushes
and laminated ID cards in hand.
Protected by the army of the BLM
While law enforcement at the border
And Armed Forces overseas
are warned
not to fire a single round
but to put up a fence instead.


9 posted on 05/18/2014 4:13:34 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: Pollster1

Reid just trying to punish those pesky militia members for making him lose out on millions on the sale of the land to the Chinese.


10 posted on 05/18/2014 4:18:09 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: blueplum
This may be the start of the Second American Civil War.

I approve.

11 posted on 05/18/2014 4:19:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: blueplum

Do they Federal Prosecutors think they can get 12 of Cockroach Reid’s SEIU cronies on a jury? That is the only way they will get a conviction.


12 posted on 05/18/2014 4:32:50 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: blueplum

They are just begging for a fight. Some people think Obama wants to cancel the 2016 election by declaring martial law. I would be surprised if he looks for a way. To cancel the mid-term election.


13 posted on 05/18/2014 4:33:51 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: Pollster1
Jury nullification - probability at least 99%, and BLM/Reid/Obama have to know it. They are somewhere on the spectrum between stupid and evil, but even they cannot be that stupid.


14 posted on 05/18/2014 4:34:57 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: blueplum

!


15 posted on 05/18/2014 5:03:34 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? :-)
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To: blueplum

Before they wire up this investigation, haul the National Park Service into federal court for destroying parts of Effigy Mounds in NE Iowa.


16 posted on 05/18/2014 5:19:34 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: blueplum

When the feral feds aren’t ignoring and breaking laws themselves they are abusing and misapplying them to persecute citizens.

Instead of representing and serving the citizenry, our federal government has become a killer parasite, sucking the lifeblood from the nation.


17 posted on 05/18/2014 5:24:16 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Malaysia Flight MH370 Black Box signals reported in Bermuda Triangle)
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To: blueplum

“Protection” racket.


18 posted on 05/18/2014 5:33:39 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: ronnie raygun
Reid is using the constitution and government power to prosecute American citizens...-ronnie raygun
Whose constitution? Can't be ours because the first amendment clearly states:
Congress shall make no law... abridging...the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”via: Heritage.org Link

19 posted on 05/18/2014 6:18:16 AM PDT by wtd
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To: blueplum

So let’s say for the sake of argument that this had ben a protest for gay rights and along with four wheeler tracks they left tons of litter and defecated on a couple of BLM vehicles. Would we be talking about filing charges. Oh wait that happened in New York by the anti wall street thugs!!!


20 posted on 05/18/2014 6:31:55 AM PDT by ontap
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To: blueplum

I seem to recall that about a month ago the cattle-shooting BLM mercs, in their haste to beat a hasty retreat (once they discovered they were outgunned), ran over a `nest’ of their own protected feral turtles with a feral truck.
Yertle the turtle, RIP.
Won’t anyone think of the turtles?
Don’t laws apply to them?
Finally, did you notice from the article that the orders to execute came from the WH?

Also, didja notice in the thread immed. above (`Bundy assembling legal team’) in the article referenced by Ben Ficklin, post #3—the orders to execute on Bundy’s ranch came from the WH itself?
Yet another scandal in which another low-level underling close to retirement will take early retirement, after receiving assurance that his/her pension is safe, along with a fat under-the-table payment.
Because Uncle Sugar is loaded, donchaknow?


21 posted on 05/18/2014 6:51:34 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Oops, sorry Ben! Here you go:
“Also, didja notice in the thread immed. above (`Bundy assembling legal team’) in the article referenced by Ben Ficklin, post #3 ...”


22 posted on 05/18/2014 6:53:57 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: blueplum

undercover BLM agents

To me that is the scary part.
undercover agents or provacateurs?


23 posted on 05/18/2014 6:59:46 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

#23: probably had both bases covered.


24 posted on 05/18/2014 7:16:27 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: Lazamataz

Tenth Amendment bump....

Me too.


25 posted on 05/18/2014 7:27:58 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Lazamataz

Ditto.


26 posted on 05/18/2014 7:34:09 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Lazamataz

So what the heck happened to the militia demonstration that was supposed to materialize in DC on Saturday under the leadership of that Colonel? They were talking about a million or more presence. The last article I saw on it was sometime Friday. Since Saturday morning the story seems to have disappeared from the internet. I haven’t been able to find any references to it anywhere. What gives? Anyone know?


27 posted on 05/18/2014 7:36:30 AM PDT by 4Runner
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Okay. I found a thread on FR the thing was a bust. No one showed. Possibly a false flag event.

Some responses:

To: redgolum

False flag operation?

We were wondering the same thing this morning. Nobody heard of it until a day or two ago.

The fellow on Savage yesterday just sounded like the stereotype the left has for a Tea Party’er...a retarded, drawling hick.

18 posted on 5/16/2014, 1:42:27 PM by x1stcav (”The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.”)
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To: CivilWarBrewing
It was designed to fail from the start for the purpose of demoralizing the Tea Party movement ahead of elections.

Yeah that was my gut feeling as well.
19 posted on 5/16/2014, 1:43:05 PM by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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28 posted on 05/18/2014 8:06:40 AM PDT by 4Runner
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To: blueplum

Do you actually expect unbiased media from a Russian ragtag ?


29 posted on 05/18/2014 10:35:56 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: B4Ranch

I think if you compare the two articles, RT versus Reuters, the RT article very similar, but a bit more informative than the Reuters article, which is why I linked both and made the RT article prominent. For instance, Reuters did not disclose that the closure of ReCapture was a ‘supervisor’ level decision - that is, arbitrary.

The envirowackos stated pretty weak arguments for limiting access to Recapture, just like their arguments for the Bundy turtle were proven weak and unfounded. Part of the issue with the Bundy ranch was some group giving the BLM large money to “protect” a willow flycatcher bird and refusing to turn the money over until Bundy’s cattle were gone. We’ve demonstrated at least in discussion that cattle don’t hurt turtles or birds.

Now the main enviro concerns about Recapture have been voiced in print, we go to work to defeat those arguments and offer a solution doable for both sides. We carry that policy through to any BLM land we’re trying to free access up to, regardless of where that BLM land is situated. If the enviros balk at common sense, logical planning of free access to a majority of public land, they hand us the tools we need to publically marginalize them as the real fools and by proxy the wacko BLM that serves fools and not the People. We expose the arbitrary ‘supervisor’ decisions that keeps the public and the county off their own roads. We use their own tactics against them to gain public support. We beat the drum, even if we have to utilize sources such as RT.


30 posted on 05/18/2014 2:36:28 PM PDT by blueplum
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