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Feds rile ranchers by fencing off water for cattle to protect a jumping mouse!
The Washington Times ^ | May 11, 2014 | Valerie Richardson

Posted on 05/12/2014 8:49:30 AM PDT by jazusamo

Forest Service says it's mouse habitat

The Obama administration’s crackdown on Western land use has sparked a furor over the Forest Service’s decision to fence off a creek used by thirsty cattle in drought-stricken Otero County, New Mexico.

The Otero County Commission is scheduled to meet Monday to discuss whether to order the sheriff to open the gates against the wishes of Forest Service officials, who have argued that the fence is needed to protect the Agua Chiquita riparian area and habitat for the New Mexico meadow jumping mouse.

Otero County Sheriff Benny House said he worries that the increasingly tense situation could erupt into a Nevada-style melee between ranchers and federal agents.

“What’s going to happen here is that we could end up with a Bundy situation,” said Sheriff House, referring to Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s standoff with the Bureau of Land Management. “Hopefully, we can resolve it without it getting out of hand.”

In another display of unrest in the West over federal land policy, about 50 people drove all-terrain vehicles Saturday into Recapture Canyon in southern Utah, an area managed by the Bureau of Land Management that is off limits to motorized vehicles. Hundreds more attended a protest at a nearby park.

Juan Palma, Bureau of Land Management Utah state director, said in a statement that the agency would “pursue all available redress through the legal system to hold the lawbreakers accountable.”

He said the area is the site of ancient Indian archaeological artifacts and dwellings.

Although Bundy ranch comparisons are inevitable, one key distinction is that the Otero County ranchers, unlike Mr. Bundy, haven’t broken any laws. They own the rights to the water under New Mexico law, but the creek is within the federally owned forest.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: agenda21; blm; envirowacko; esa; federalland; forestservice; jumpingmouse; newmexico; obama; oterocounty; usfs; waterrights; wildearthguardians
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WildEarth Guardians...The whack jobs are running the asylum and the asylum is our governments Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management.
1 posted on 05/12/2014 8:49:30 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Whether they understand it or not,

a match was struck at Bunkerville,

and the fire is going to burn the feds.

People are just plain “Fed” up.


2 posted on 05/12/2014 8:51:40 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: jazusamo

UN Agenda 21 at work to eliminate private property rights and drive all peasants into high-rise containment facilities prior to their shipment to the incinerator camps.


3 posted on 05/12/2014 8:53:44 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: jazusamo
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago, 1918-1956
4 posted on 05/12/2014 8:54:23 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: jazusamo

Here’s another example of a federal government run amok: the feds won’t do their job of protecting the citizens of New Mexico from invasion, but they will protect a rodent from New Mexican citizens.


5 posted on 05/12/2014 8:55:02 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: MrB

Yes. It’s more inevitable than ever. When American people saw they can match force with force against the government’s tyranny, the stage was set. My hope is it doesn’t end up like Ukraine, Egypt, et el. Those places suck worse than they did before. It’s possible that 2016 could calm things down, but I don’t think so. Most in DC are completely oblivious to what’s going on.


6 posted on 05/12/2014 8:59:20 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You can’t post that quote often enough. Thank you.


7 posted on 05/12/2014 8:59:43 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: tumblindice

Exactly, and the local Forest Service was working with ranchers until they got word from high ups in the 0bama administration to close off the water.


8 posted on 05/12/2014 9:01:05 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: demshateGod

Most lefty sheeperals are simply astounded.
One even said in an article, in response to the BLM backing down:
“how DOES one make the federal government back down?”

It’s simply a foreign concept to them that the government COULD be acting illegitimately, and further alien to their mindset that people would take action outside of the court system to thwart them on their illegitimate activity.


9 posted on 05/12/2014 9:02:43 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: CedarDave

Ping!


10 posted on 05/12/2014 9:04:30 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Makes me wonder how Longhorn or Outback will introduce the New Mexico meadow jumping mouse steaks on their menu?


11 posted on 05/12/2014 9:05:27 AM PDT by rhubarbk (It's official, I'm suffering from Obama fatigue!)
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Please bump the Freepathon or click above and donate or become a monthly donor!

12 posted on 05/12/2014 9:06:30 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo
The feds are going into unknown territory. When CWII starts it will be something the world has never seen before. Americans own more than half the small arms on the planet. The feds will use tactics and weapons against Americans they would never use in a war zone.

I fear the feds will do things that would make a NAZI puke.

13 posted on 05/12/2014 9:06:58 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: jazusamo

Are they trying to Re - Start the Old West Water Wars?


14 posted on 05/12/2014 9:10:48 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: rhubarbk

No mousemeat for you!
The DC elites want us all to be vegans.


15 posted on 05/12/2014 9:12:34 AM PDT by Zuse (I am disrupted! I am offended! I am insulted! I am outraged!)
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To: demshateGod

“Most in DC are completely oblivious to what’s going on.”

As are most in Los Angeles, Seattle, San Francisco, Austin, DFW metro, Chicago, NYC...

“Most” were completely oblivious in 1776, too.

THANK GOD history has NEVER been made by “most”; it has ALWAYS been “the few” who made the deciding difference.


16 posted on 05/12/2014 9:14:20 AM PDT by HKMk23 (The Superior Culture will prevail.)
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To: SandRat

They seem to be off to a good start, enviro-nazis and government agents had best steer clear of ranchers if they escalate this.


17 posted on 05/12/2014 9:19:00 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: HKMk23

Agreed. Most around here, KCMO, have no idea. When shots are fired, everyone will know.


18 posted on 05/12/2014 9:19:12 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: jazusamo
So why does the mouse have more rights than the cow?

-PJ

19 posted on 05/12/2014 9:21:43 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: SandRat

“...feral hogs are still able to drink from the creek.

Are they still talking about wild animals or the government here?


20 posted on 05/12/2014 9:22:56 AM PDT by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

A turtle, a mouse, a snail darter or spotted owl ...
What difference does it make if shutting down his livelihood forces the unwanted human resident off the land?


21 posted on 05/12/2014 9:38:16 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: jazusamo

Bump


22 posted on 05/12/2014 9:38:53 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: jazusamo

It seems as if the FedGov has become the sheep ranchers of yesteryear.....If memory serves, that ended in a ranch war.


23 posted on 05/12/2014 9:50:14 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: elkfersupper

Any insights from NM?


24 posted on 05/12/2014 9:50:50 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: jazusamo

Had ENOUGH Yet ?


25 posted on 05/12/2014 10:02:48 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Had ENOUGH Yet ? ........................ Enforce the Bill of Rights ......... It's the LAW !!!)
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To: jazusamo

There are NO MICE in need of Gov’t protection.

This particular mouse is NOT UNIQUE, as was the case of the fabled Preble’s mouse. It was INVENTED for the purpose of stopping development.


26 posted on 05/12/2014 10:06:08 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: SandRat

Are they trying to Re - Start the Old West Water Wars?
-=0=-
History of the west affirm; Whiskey is for drinking, Water is for fighting. Feds just keeping it real.....


27 posted on 05/12/2014 10:07:41 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Had ENOUGH Yet ? ........................ Enforce the Bill of Rights ......... It's the LAW !!!)
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To: MrB

One must remember that “the court system” is simply a branch of government and - like a branch on a tree - will never do anything to endanger the life of the tree. Any such action would be tantamount to suicide.
That is the reason it will be up to the citizens to rein in the government. Think of it as “pruning” a lop-sided sapling to shape it into a beautiful Christmans tree.


28 posted on 05/12/2014 10:08:13 AM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: G Larry
It was INVENTED for the purpose of stopping development.

Yep, a favorite tactic of the enviro-nazis.

29 posted on 05/12/2014 10:10:25 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

‘Although Bundy ranch comparisons are inevitable, one key distinction is that the Otero County ranchers, unlike Mr. Bundy, haven’t broken any laws.’——What ‘laws’ has Mr. Bundy broken and if he has, why hasn’t he been charged??


30 posted on 05/12/2014 10:12:25 AM PDT by yadent
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

“If you forget your history,
it comes back and hits you on the back of the neck.”

Lady ***Dame, survivor of the Battle of Tobruk, PBS TV special, May 11, 2014
[can`t find her name]


31 posted on 05/12/2014 10:19:27 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: jazusamo

Let them drink milk - Michelle Obama


32 posted on 05/12/2014 10:22:51 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: demshateGod

Once the people realize that the State doesn’t have the monopoly on violence, things get messy.

I wonder of the BLM has thought this through. I wonder if the militias and ranchers have.

No one wins in a failed state.


33 posted on 05/12/2014 10:22:57 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: SandRat

Those range wars never stopped.
Remember the fights about people collecting rain water on their property? It wasn’t the BLM screaming, it was the ranchers. People end up dead over water rights often enough out West.

Water is for killing, whisky is for drinking. Until you have seen it, it is hard to describe it. That is part of the reason I don’t like this trend. If the ranchers win, you will see groups going back to the old ways of “burning out” as many of the other people as they can.


34 posted on 05/12/2014 10:25:32 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: beelzepug

“...feral hogs are still able to drink from the creek.”

And the damage they do is incredible! I have a good friend who breeds/raises/trains Catahoulas.


35 posted on 05/12/2014 10:31:33 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: tumblindice
It's the argument that was made for Bundy. Why sacrifice the cow to save the turtle? How did the turtle become more valuable than the cow?

And how is it that the two were able to peacefully coexist until now?

-PJ

36 posted on 05/12/2014 10:47:37 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: jazusamo
We would like to thank those who participated in the Occupy movement for showing us the way to reclaim our public lands.

The city folks are no longer going to be allowed to make the rules that dictate what happens in and about our homes and our country culture. That is done.

There are some struggles yet to come but most of us have already made this decision.

The socialists from the big cities act like they have the answers. They tell us that the society and culture that they have made for themselves is something that we are supposed to value. This is a joke, and a bad joke at that.

No, we do not value the racism, the hunger and poverty and violence of the inner cities. We openly reject the oppressing federal and state laws that have been passed to try and clean up the mess that the liberals have created.

If you want to find a huge disaster that is doing great harm to Americans look to the nearest city that has been ruled by the liberals over the last few decades.

Each and every one of these places are on the brink of bankruptcy with high violent crime and homicide rates. It is all theirs. We don't want it, don't value it, and do not value the liberal mentality that made life that way in their cities.

We will not take any responsibility for the city culture of death and destruction that they created and choose to live in. It is yours, your fault, and now your bed to lay in.

To the liberal socialists I will bluntly tell you that we will not allow you to make that same mess in our back yard that you have made in yours.

We will not allow you to install your culture here either. We are good with our own culture, our ways, and our own values. I know of no place within a hundred miles where I can not walk with my family is safety. I will keep the culture I have and the cities can have theirs.

Liberals need to remember one thing. Without the liberals telling us what to do, where we can and can't be, how to live, and how to think, we will still have water, food, fuel, and electrical power.

Without the red areas of this country the liberals will not have......

Just a little food for thought.

37 posted on 05/12/2014 11:01:28 AM PDT by oldenuff2no (Citizen)
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To: Political Junkie Too

So why does the mouse have more rights than the cow?

Cause some animals are more equal than others. /s


38 posted on 05/12/2014 11:05:40 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: oldfart

Yeah, we’ve pretty much seen that come to complete fruition in the past few decades.

Gov’t no longer exists to maintain an environment where people can safely conduct their lives, rather

under the guise of fairness, its primary function now is to protect itself and grow.


39 posted on 05/12/2014 11:06:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: oldenuff2no

Amen


40 posted on 05/12/2014 11:19:23 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo; LegendHasIt; leapfrog0202; Santa Fe_Conservative; DesertDreamer; OneWingedShark; ...

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41 posted on 05/12/2014 11:20:29 AM PDT by CedarDave (CNN: The "Crisis News Channel" - all Flight 370 hysteria and global warming blather, all the time.)
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To: jazusamo

They can fence off the water from cattle but they cant fence off the border from illegals?


42 posted on 05/12/2014 11:54:35 AM PDT by Magnum44 (I have had just about enough)
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To: Magnum44

An excellent point...One fits the agenda of the elitists in DC and the other doesn’t.


43 posted on 05/12/2014 12:03:35 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

We all know what fearsome predators cows are!


44 posted on 05/12/2014 12:20:05 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: jazusamo

This federal gub mint has got to be neutered.


45 posted on 05/12/2014 12:33:11 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: Vigilanteman

I’ll second that.


46 posted on 05/12/2014 1:14:23 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: redgolum
I wonder of the BLM has thought this through. I wonder if the militias and ranchers have.

IMO It's far more probable that the militia have, for the simple reasons that they're more likely to understand the Declaration of Independence than, as a whole, government agents.

47 posted on 05/12/2014 2:50:09 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: CedarDave
Who knew Cows ate mice?

.......................
Thanks for the ping Dave.

Anyone who sees more info on this topic, please ping me... I'm close enough to go support the 'rebels' if necessary.

48 posted on 05/12/2014 3:17:09 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: jazusamo

It’s time for Governor Martinez to team up with the Sheriff, and overrule the Forest Service. It is New Mexico’s land, not the federal government’s, no matter what this or any other administration has to say about it. States need to take control of what rightfully belongs to them.


49 posted on 05/12/2014 4:27:51 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Political Junkie Too
So why does the mouse have more rights than the cow?

Because...


50 posted on 05/12/2014 4:31:09 PM PDT by LaybackLenny (Sarah Palin - Last Man Standing (Ironic, ain't it?))
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