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US death row study: 4% of defendants sentenced to die are innocent
The Guardian ^ | 04/29/2014 | Ed Pilkington in New York

Posted on 04/29/2014 8:38:55 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Tijeras_Slim

Yes, you notice that when they answer your personal ads. What fanciful stories these guys can weave!


41 posted on 04/29/2014 12:04:25 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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It’s easy, also, to dismiss someone else’s loved one being killed by a violent criminal that was released to make sure no one innocent was convicted.

Yes, it’s tough. And I agree that this is THE valid argument against the death penalty unless ABSOLUTELY sure.

But, removing the death penalty would require that “life in prison” actually means “life” and not 20 yrs.


42 posted on 04/29/2014 12:06:31 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: caver

I bet the 4% did alot of other terrible crimes they got away with.


43 posted on 04/29/2014 12:37:17 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: MrB

I know. One thing people forget is that as long as a convict is alive, s/he can wield power and influence. Decades ago, Bernard Fitzpatrick was sentenced to die for killing somebody in Montana. He got a new trial because he wasn’t tried separately from his accomplice. Again, sentence to hang(or lethal injection, probably, his choice)He gets a third trial because either his public defender or shrink, I forget, is suspected of being incompetent. This time he gets life. While awaiting sentencing, he escapes from Yellowstone County and burglarizes a school. Fortunately he didnt kill anybody else before being returned to Deer Lodge or wherever he had to be returned to. A lot of the county jails in Montana were not equipped to contain this type of criminal.

Some of the gang affiliated guys, especially can wield all kinds of power and influence from their cells, even if they’re in Max. They can arrange hits, endanger or terrorize other inmates, use Svengali-like influence on outsiders to bring in contraband, etc. And don’t forget the jailhouse lawyering. No lawsuit is too frivolous when you have that much time on your hands.

If you want to read something truly scary, google the Barbara Boardman case on McNeil island.


44 posted on 04/29/2014 1:34:52 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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I would rather an innocent person went to prison "once in a while", than have numerous violent criminals on the streets killing innocent people more frequently than "once in a while".

I assume you're cool with this as long as this innocent person isn't your child, wife or yourself? Right?

And how is society protected by sending an innocent person to prison for a crime that someone else, running free, committed?

You might want to think this through.

In a civilized society under no circumstance, anytime, anywhere, should and innocent person ever be sent to prison. Ever.

45 posted on 04/29/2014 8:12:21 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: SeekAndFind

Prove it. This is a long time issue, always innocent. Watched this game live for almost 20 years. Work inside the walls and this is common lingo. Always tryignto scam the system.


46 posted on 04/29/2014 8:28:24 PM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Prove it. This is a long time issue, always innocent. Watched this game live for almost 20 years. Work inside the walls and this is common lingo. Always tryignto scam the system.


47 posted on 04/29/2014 8:28:39 PM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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In a civilized society under no circumstance, anytime, anywhere, should and innocent person ever be sent to prison. Ever.

And just how will that be accomplished, Pollyana?

The only way to be absolutely sure of that, "Ever", is to not send 99% probably guilty people to prison, because of that smidgen of doubt. And will you take responsibility, under this kind of system, for the "child, wife, or yourself" that is harmed or killed by the released criminal?

I know, it makes you a "good person" to assert that no innocent person should "ever" go to prison, but should any innocent person be harmed by someone released in error in order to ensure your idealistic vision?

48 posted on 04/30/2014 5:09:33 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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