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To: Monorprise

“That is an act of ‘international’ Government whether you like it or not.”

No, that is hyperbole on your part. Accepting international norms of civilized behavior, such as NOT INVADING OTHER SOVEREIGN NATIONS FOR THE PURPOSE OF ANNEXATION, is NOT international Government.

It is a norm that has been accepted for some time. Nazi Germany was called out, the militarists in Japan, the communists in North Korea and the Soviet Union.

“They (Russia)have the right to engage in war, as well as levy peace, conduct trade, ect...”

But yet you hypocritically deny the right of other nations such as the US to respond, or an alliance of free nations to prevent such actions by a pathetic rogue nation such as Russia.

Why is it that historically despotic nations have a “right” to do this but historically free nations are part of a grand conspiracy for world government overthrow when they attempt to prevent despots from putting their Jack Boots on the neck of people who wish to be free?

You conspiracy nuts have a silly double standard that speaks more to paranoia and delusion than principle.


47 posted on 04/30/2014 3:39:55 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr

“No, that is hyperbole on your part. Accepting international norms of civilized behavior, such as NOT INVADING OTHER SOVEREIGN NATIONS FOR THE PURPOSE OF ANNEXATION, is NOT international Government.”

It seems to escape you that the very concept of being independent and self-governing includes the ability to be what Other might call “uncivilized”. Althou the General idea is living by your own rules.

As for the reasons a country can make war, acquisition of resources and territory is historically the most common.

The U.S. has gone to war for this reason on a number of successful occasions.

“It is a norm that has been accepted for some time. Nazi Germany was called out, the militarists in Japan, the communists in North Korea and the Soviet Union.”

I suppose you never heard of the Treaty of Versailles which Nazi Germany was clearly violating, nor any of the other mutual defense treaties that obligated England and France to join the war when Poland was invaded.

That being said it is worth noting that the USA felt no such obligation, which was our sovereign right, to be used wisely or unwisely.

The Korean war was in fact a UN action, and as disagreeable as the whole affair turned out to be the US was involved because we felt stopping the advance of communism across the Korean pennesila was important to our own national interest. Vietnam Likewise. IT was Bush the first that tried to declare a new world order in which some country’s couldn’t invade other country’s for money. But this of course has been mostly ignored ever sense.

African countries invade each other for land and resources all the time as to country all over the world. In the 1980’s Russia was even then no exception with their various campaigns, namely Afghanistan, but there we once again felt a national interest to inhibit the Growth of Communism.

“But yet you hypocritically deny the right of other nations such as the US to respond, or an alliance of free nations to prevent such actions by a pathetic rogue nation such as Russia.”

I obviously don’t deny that the USA has a right to get involved. Of course we do. We also got a right to Invade Mexico and Canada for their land if we want it.(we did before).

I just don’t see how getting involved with the Ukraine war benefits us in any meaningful way worthy of the cost of getting involved.


48 posted on 05/01/2014 2:28:58 PM PDT by Monorprise
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