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1 posted on 04/23/2014 6:54:56 AM PDT by xzins
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To: All; P-Marlowe

First, there are no Christian denominations that have prayers that automatically excise the name of Jesus. There are very few who are willing to do that just to appear neutral in public.

Since there is no such denomination, then these voters are IN FAVOR of the Government enforcing religious rules about a made up religion, the “no name of Jesus religion.”

In sum, if the government makes up a religion and it is enforced in public places, then it is “an establishment of religion.”

Second, if it is enforced against those who wouldn’t endorse the excising the name of Jesus’ name, then it is forbidding “free exercise.”

Let me repeat: There is NO Christian religion that endorses excising the name of Jesus. It would all be “made up religion” to appease the government.

The correct answer is the answer given by the Founding Fathers: everyone just be yourself, and everyone else just learn to accept it. The Founders figured that was a better tradeoff than religion police....as these voters are suggesting. They want you to follow the “made up government religion” or not get to pray.


2 posted on 04/23/2014 6:55:39 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

What would be the purpose behind prayer then?


3 posted on 04/23/2014 6:57:10 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: xzins

What part of “nor the free exercise thereof” don’t they understand?


4 posted on 04/23/2014 6:57:28 AM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: xzins

What do people think they are praying to? Americans have been so conditioned to not offend anyone that they don’t want to face the hard truth that religions are different, comprise different beliefs and can’t be combined into some type of non-denominational mush to make everyone happy.


5 posted on 04/23/2014 6:58:00 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: xzins
Freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.
6 posted on 04/23/2014 7:00:31 AM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of liberty only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: xzins
And 23 percent said “public meetings shouldn’t have any prayers at all because prayers by definition suggest one belief or another.”

So, by this logic, wouldn't the lack of a prayer endorse atheism or agnosticism, both of which are favored religions of the Godless left?

In a saner time when I was involved in a local government, the problem was solved simply by rotating the prayer leader. While many, but not all, of the Christian clergy avoided mentioning Jesus when they led the prayer, a respected local rabbi who was called upon to lead the prayer in early December, invoked his name and won a lot of friends.

10 posted on 04/23/2014 7:11:57 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: xzins

Matthew 10:33
English Standard Version (ESV)
33 but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.


11 posted on 04/23/2014 7:18:15 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: xzins

This is how you end up with insane situations where a coach (Clemson’s Dabo) is accused by the FFRF of violating the so-called separation of church and state. Can you imagine any of the founding fathers saying that people should not pray before a town hall meeting or a football game?


13 posted on 04/23/2014 7:19:50 AM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: xzins

Prayer without Jesus is not prayer!


16 posted on 04/23/2014 7:25:40 AM PDT by Anti-Hillary (Soon everything in America will be "free", except it's people.)
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To: xzins

perhaps we need prayers like the one in THE CIRCUS OF DR LAO when all the people of Woldercan gathered in the temple to pray to the god Yottle.

http://books.google.com/books?id=c5c1t2es3KcC&pg=PA127&lpg=PA127&dq=THE+CIRCUS+OF+DOCTOR+LAO+PRAYER&source=bl&ots=i8QJcISZhS&sig=IWlObEHgKmCSab_Ahgyzfq8n-so&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fdBXU9PNCeLj2QXet4GYCA&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=THE%20CIRCUS%20OF%20DOCTOR%20LAO%20PRAYER&f=false


23 posted on 04/23/2014 7:44:21 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: xzins

Just one more step down the wrong road.....


24 posted on 04/23/2014 7:45:43 AM PDT by wizr (We are "one Nation, under God " or "one nation, trod under ". Keep the Faith.)
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