Posted on 04/23/2014 6:54:56 AM PDT by xzins
First, there are no Christian denominations that have prayers that automatically excise the name of Jesus. There are very few who are willing to do that just to appear neutral in public.
Since there is no such denomination, then these voters are IN FAVOR of the Government enforcing religious rules about a made up religion, the “no name of Jesus religion.”
In sum, if the government makes up a religion and it is enforced in public places, then it is “an establishment of religion.”
Second, if it is enforced against those who wouldn’t endorse the excising the name of Jesus’ name, then it is forbidding “free exercise.”
Let me repeat: There is NO Christian religion that endorses excising the name of Jesus. It would all be “made up religion” to appease the government.
The correct answer is the answer given by the Founding Fathers: everyone just be yourself, and everyone else just learn to accept it. The Founders figured that was a better tradeoff than religion police....as these voters are suggesting. They want you to follow the “made up government religion” or not get to pray.
What would be the purpose behind prayer then?
What part of “nor the free exercise thereof” don’t they understand?
What do people think they are praying to? Americans have been so conditioned to not offend anyone that they don’t want to face the hard truth that religions are different, comprise different beliefs and can’t be combined into some type of non-denominational mush to make everyone happy.
If it’s a make believe government religion, then I guess it’s a make believe government deity, too.
IOW, it’s a form of religion that denies the power of God and substitutes the rules of government.
It boggles my mind that they don’t see the free exercise issue here, G Larry.
Unfortunately, we give Islam religious status even though it is a political system and not a religion. Wiccan is another fruitcake so called religion. Hindu is not a religion.
Christians and Jews...that's all there is!!
So, by this logic, wouldn't the lack of a prayer endorse atheism or agnosticism, both of which are favored religions of the Godless left?
In a saner time when I was involved in a local government, the problem was solved simply by rotating the prayer leader. While many, but not all, of the Christian clergy avoided mentioning Jesus when they led the prayer, a respected local rabbi who was called upon to lead the prayer in early December, invoked his name and won a lot of friends.
Matthew 10:33
English Standard Version (ESV)
33 but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.
I would just have a pot and a drawing when scheduling the annual public meetings.
If a minister wants his name in the pot, then he/she adds it.
They pull out a name and what they get is what they get.
This is how you end up with insane situations where a coach (Clemson’s Dabo) is accused by the FFRF of violating the so-called separation of church and state. Can you imagine any of the founding fathers saying that people should not pray before a town hall meeting or a football game?
Exactly....they are requiring real religions to violate their own beliefs to be part of their make-believe-government-religion.
The Founders prayed everywhere they went at every meeting they had. They had chaplains. And they just let the prayers be themselves. Tolerate is better, easier, and cheaper than police.
Prayer without Jesus is not prayer!
Atheists are demanding that the government confirm “atheism” as America’s
one and only ESTABLISHED religion.
That is UN-Constitutional!
And that’s just crazy!
What would be the purpose behind prayer then?
Exactly!
Atheists are demanding that the government confirm “atheism” as America’s
one and only ESTABLISHED religion.
That is UN-Constitutional!
And besides, that’s just crazy!
Jesus outlined how we should pray.
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