[cripplecreek]

I’m moderate on immigration too.

No deal at all on immigration till the border is truly secure and then we can talk about immigration and not before. After all, talk of amnesty is kind of pointless when illegals make amnesty for themselves by coming right back after they’re deported.

Seems pretty moderate to me.

[TomGuy]

No deal at all on immigration till the border is truly secure

Even if they agreed to secure the border, they would do like they do on cutting spending -- kick that can down the road.

Spend now -- cut later;

Amnesty now -- secure the border later.

If they had any intention of securing the border, they could do it with existing laws. They won't; thus, their arguments are fraudulant.