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Nevada Cattle Rancher Wins 'Range War' With Feds
abc ^ | April 12, 2014 | Liz Field

Posted on 04/12/2014 10:50:43 AM PDT by Red Steel

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To: ctdonath2
The usage began with an understanding that no fees were required, nor would be. Insofar as reasonable fees were introduced, seems he paid them. Problem now seems the fees are changed with intent to drive him out - THAT is intolerable.
I might agree with that if the charge weren't $1.35/head. Private grazing fees are usually 4x to 10x that. I don't really see how that price would drive a rancher out.
141 posted on 04/13/2014 10:20:16 AM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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To: vette6387
They need to be “compelled” to return what they stole.
There are legal avenues for doing that. You just need a compelling legal argument.
142 posted on 04/13/2014 10:24:37 AM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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To: Fightin Whitey
The feds never should have gone in there with the shock-and-awe campaign, heavily armed, snipers, tasers, choppers.

Now we know what the grazing fees pay for.

143 posted on 04/13/2014 10:27:31 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Abby4116
Bundy has in fact paid fees to Clark County, Nevada in an arrangement pre-dating the BLM.
Except he didn't. Clark County has already said that he offered them the money and they told him it had to go to the federal government and that they wouldn't take it. They've also said they've never had such an arrangement. They testified to such in court.

You're listening to information that's been Telephoned to death by people talking around.
144 posted on 04/13/2014 10:29:42 AM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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To: XRdsRev; OldRanchHand; Scoutmaster

I’d like to thank the three of y’all for being the voice of reason and facts on this issue.


145 posted on 04/13/2014 10:31:34 AM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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To: MinuteGal
EVEN OLE WOODIE GUTHRIE SANG ABOUT IT.....
Woody Guthrie was a socialist with Communist leanings. Big union supporter too. When he was singing that, what he really meant was "Da, this is the proletariat's land, comrade!" Not somebody who I'd cite.
146 posted on 04/13/2014 10:33:33 AM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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To: GAFreedom
Woody Guthrie was a socialist with Communist leanings. Big union supporter too. When he was singing that, what he really meant was "Da, this is the proletariat's land, comrade!" Not somebody who I'd cite.

Exactly.

Commies get support by proclaiming that individuals own their land, but once they gain power, they collectivize it and proclaim they are acting in the "Peoples' best interests."

147 posted on 04/13/2014 10:34:52 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
I'm perfectly well-aware of Guthrie's commie background.

However, if I spot a glorious opportunity to use the Left's prose or poetry against them in some way, I'll do it...or, put another way, "the devil made me do it".

Leni

148 posted on 04/13/2014 11:04:31 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Our greatness - built upon our freedom - is moral, not material)
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To: GAFreedom

So what’s backing the theory that the Feds were actively trying to “persuade” him to stop using the land? The Harry Ried angle has a deadline, not mere annoyance over fees. If they wanted him out, what was the pretext for pushing?


149 posted on 04/13/2014 11:47:59 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: GAFreedom; Abby4116
Nev. Rev. Stat. Ch. 568.010-.030. Grazing payments on the 1934 Taylor Grazing Act Districts go to the federal government.

Cliven Bundy wasn't born before his family entered into the 1934 Taylor Grazing Act permit or lease for the old Bunkerton allotment.

After he quit paying grazing fees to the BLM, and the BLM went to court in 1998 to terminate his lease for nonpayment of grazing fees, Cliven Bundy tendered a payment to Clark County for eighteen head of cattle, not the 900-1,100 he was grazing. Clark County rejected the payment because they were not authorized to accept grazing fees on BLM grazing lands.

If you have evidence or specifics on the oft-repeated "pre-dating the BLM" claim, which undercuts the Bundys' "we bought the grazing rights in the late 1880s" claim, I would sincerely be interested in seeing it.

150 posted on 04/13/2014 12:48:14 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?)
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To: GAFreedom; Abby4116
Nev. Rev. Stat. Ch. 568.010-.030. Grazing payments on the 1934 Taylor Grazing Act Districts go to the federal government.

Cliven Bundy wasn't born before his family entered into the 1934 Taylor Grazing Act permit or lease for the old Bunkerton allotment.

After he quit paying grazing fees to the BLM, and the BLM went to court in 1998 to terminate his lease for nonpayment of grazing fees, Cliven Bundy tendered a payment to Clark County for eighteen head of cattle, not the 900-1,100 he was grazing. Clark County rejected the payment because they were not authorized to accept grazing fees on BLM grazing lands.

If you have evidence or specifics on the oft-repeated "pre-dating the BLM" claim, which undercuts the Bundys' "we bought the grazing rights in the late 1880s" claim, I would sincerely be interested in seeing it.

151 posted on 04/13/2014 12:48:14 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?)
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To: dfwgator

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152 posted on 04/13/2014 3:00:42 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Scoutmaster
I didn't write it. I am not a rancher.

But the rancher who did write it said that in 1993 Mr. Bundy was one of those whose NUMBER OF CATTLE allowed to graze was unfairly, drastically cut. And if the number of cattle using the water rights dropped the water rights (state) would be lost. The cuts would have put him out of business.

153 posted on 04/13/2014 3:02:07 PM PDT by Abby4116
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To: GAFreedom
You're attacking me for something I reposted but did not write, however, I wish to point out it is not the amount of money BLM wants to charge for grazing fees that is the issue. It is the CUT in the number of cattle that the permit is for.
154 posted on 04/13/2014 3:11:24 PM PDT by Abby4116
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To: huckfillary

The BLM pulled back and might be planning a Midnight raid. Like the Nazis and their “Night and Fog” rule.


155 posted on 04/14/2014 7:40:17 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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