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To: Kackikat

It is because he did not pay his bills. He does not have the right to use public land for grazing without the fee just because his family did in 1884.


6 posted on 04/11/2014 8:43:17 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative

Do you work for BLM in Nevada, unbelievable.


10 posted on 04/11/2014 8:46:14 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Resolute Conservative
Running cattle on BLM land is a way of life in the southwest. The bogus turtle crap is junk science. The turtles almost died off when the cows were removed decades ago. When the cows came back so did the turtles.

Meanwhile, a solar energy project bulldozed turtle habitat, is frying birds in flight, and oh so politically correct windmills chop up eagles and other protected birds by the hundreds.

When the BLM is done there will be a shortage of sand in this desert. The Bundy family chose not to buy their chains.

21 posted on 04/11/2014 8:55:02 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Resolute Conservative
It is because he did not pay his bills.

That's the government/media narrative. Why do you automatically believe them?

/johnny

23 posted on 04/11/2014 8:57:01 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Resolute Conservative

“It is because he did not pay his bills.”

This is not what I’ve read. He tried to pay his bills, but the BLM would not take his payments. He then tried to get the state to take his payments and hold them for the BLM, but the state didn’t want to be involved. Only then did he stop paying. I wish I could link you to where I’d read that, but I’ve read so many articles on this story, that I don’t know where to look .


25 posted on 04/11/2014 8:58:09 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Public land? He is part of that public. It is public, not federal land...the government has no right to claim it.


26 posted on 04/11/2014 8:58:57 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Resolute Conservative

Exactly. Whatever his disputes were with BLM management, he should have continued paying the fees.

Which isn’t to say BLM is correct in their management, as they are generally pwned by the ecofreak, earth mother luddites. They probably were trying to manage Bundy into bankruptcy.

But not paying the fees put him on the wrong side of the law and lets BLM legally strong arm him off the land.


36 posted on 04/11/2014 9:03:25 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Resolute Conservative

He had 1,000 head of cattle. not huge by western rancher standards. In 1993, he was told by BLM he could no longer graze all of his cattle—just 150 of them in the same area, and he has disputed the numbers and charges for those numbers since. A big part of what the BLM says he owes is back fees on the “undocumented cattle” he ran there.

The whole thing is about federal over-reach, pure and simple.


40 posted on 04/11/2014 9:05:51 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Resolute Conservative
It is because he did not pay his bills. He does not have the right to use public land for grazing without the fee just because his family did in 1884.

What statute can you cite for your claim? How do you know this rancher's rights weren't grandfathered from a time long before the existence of the BLM and that what the gov't has done here essentially constitutes a taking?

FReegards!

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43 posted on 04/11/2014 9:08:27 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Resolute Conservative
I have a hard time believing that the BLM has been conspiring since the early 90's to set aside this land for oil and gas drilling technology that is just now taking off.

It sounds like this rancher's original beef (pun intended) was that he felt his grazing fees weren't being used to his benefit. His mistake was diverging from that legal argument and going down a path of challenging BLM's statutory authority to administer those lands. That is a losing argument.

The family has done a good job of framing the argument as the poor rancher trying to fight the evil government, but that will only last so long.

68 posted on 04/11/2014 9:29:16 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Resolute Conservative

The US govt is not supposed to be holding ownership of land in the states except for a very precise set of reasons. Grazing cattle isn’t one of them nor is oil and gas leasing. So Bundy has more of an argument than the govt


93 posted on 04/11/2014 10:01:43 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

They weren’t charges they were penalties and he tried to pay them but to locals rather than federal agents. The locals refused the money.


243 posted on 04/13/2014 5:14:07 AM PDT by thatjoeguy (Every law passed is one person forcing their morals on someone else.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

What if your landlord slashed your tires on your way to the bank to pay?


244 posted on 04/13/2014 4:25:29 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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