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To: kingattax
"Tin politicians in Washington have allowed us to kick the hell out of one bastard (Adolf Hitler) and at the same time forced us to help establish a second one (Stalin) as evil or more evil than the first.

Even George would have had a very difficult time kicking the hell out of AH without the assistance of JS.

Of all the Germans and their allies that died in the war, 85%+ were killed by the Red Army.

In fact, had there been no Eastern Front, invasion of Europe would have been utterly beyond the capability of the western Allies.

We would still have won the war in 1945, but only by using nukes.

14 posted on 04/10/2014 2:34:34 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
but only by using nukes.

We only had 2 nukes, and they were both used on Japan. In fact, Japan was still fighting after Nagasaki, and only surrendered after we lied that we had a 3rd bomb ready to level Tokyo.

So we would have had to invade Germany, which would have costed twice as many lives if we had to invade Japan.

20 posted on 04/10/2014 2:39:12 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (GO WISCONSIN BADGERS GO!)
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To: Sherman Logan
We would still have won the war in 1945, but only by using nukes.

Maybe not.

After dropping Little Boy and Fat Man on Japan the US would not have enough Special Nuclear Material for a bomb for at least another year.

We would have won in Europe in 1945 and have had to continue to fight Japan perhaps for a year or more after.

30 posted on 04/10/2014 2:45:19 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Of all the Germans and their allies that died in the war, 85%+ were killed by the Red Army.

A stat which means very little, since without American arms and supplies the Russians could not have mounted a counteroffensive, and without the continual degradation of German industrial capacity owed to constant Allied bombing, the Russian counteroffensive could not possibly have been successful.

Too many people overestimate the value of Russian canon-fodder, and underestimate the value of multiple second fronts prosecuted by the Allies, as well as Hitler's gross incompetence as a strategist. He need not have suffered anywhere near the scale of losses had he not insisted on a no-retreat policy, which prompted disasters like the destruction of his entire Sixth Army; or slaughtered all of his slave labor with his idiotic racialist theories.

36 posted on 04/10/2014 2:50:04 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: Sherman Logan
We would still have won the war in 1945, but only by using nukes.

Yep. The only way we could have done it, would have been to nuc them till they glowed.

63 posted on 04/10/2014 3:58:13 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Sherman Logan

That is my own personl first undeniable truth of life: DON’T INVADE RUSSIA. just don’t.


82 posted on 04/10/2014 4:55:26 PM PDT by jocon307
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