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The Key to the Next Energy Revolution?
ScienceNOW ^ | 13 March 2014 | Robert F. Service

Posted on 03/31/2014 12:26:07 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 03/31/2014 12:26:07 PM PDT by neverdem
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2 posted on 03/31/2014 12:34:17 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: neverdem

What happened to LENR?


3 posted on 03/31/2014 12:39:54 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: thackney

Ping.


4 posted on 03/31/2014 12:50:08 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: neverdem
While that sounds great, I think by 2050, the days of motor vehicles and trains using internal combustion engines fueled by petroleum products will be over.

Here's the reason why: the development of the liquid fluoride thorium reactor, a nuclear reactor that uses plentiful thorium-232 dissolved in molten fluoride salts as nuclear fuel in a liquid form. Extremely safe to run and with very little radioactive waste generation, LFTR's could be assembled on such a large scale that there will be enough excess power generated to do three things: 1) replace gasoline and diesel fueled internal combustion engines in automobiles with future electric batteries that allow for a single-charge range of 800 kilometers (497 miles), electrify all of our long distance railroad lines, and do truly large scale seawater desalinization to turn huge swaths of what was once desert into productive farmland.

5 posted on 03/31/2014 12:51:19 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88

Maybe the energy will be there. But progress in battery technology has been depressingly slow despite huge investments. The economy you describe does not exist without order of magnitude jumps in battery technology.


6 posted on 03/31/2014 1:25:16 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: neverdem
In theory the liquid fuels can be distilled out of the mother liquors so that shouldn`t be a problem but Thallium is a pretty toxic, even deadly, heavy metal. Its as bad as mercury. They`d better be able to control the toxic compounds involved or this could turn ugly fast.
7 posted on 03/31/2014 1:34:30 PM PDT by nomad
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To: RayChuang88

What about using that energy for cracking water for Hydrogen to use in fuel cells? They are making progress in that technology.


8 posted on 03/31/2014 1:36:12 PM PDT by nomad
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To: ModelBreaker

Maybe the energy will be there. But progress in battery technology has been depressingly slow despite huge investments. The economy you describe does not exist without order of magnitude jumps in battery technology.
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The tesla car gets 250 miles on a charge. So just doubling that to 500 miles would mean that teslas get more on a charge than most gasoline cars get from a tank of gas.
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Doubling is not an order of magnitude. An order of magnitude is 10 times higher.


9 posted on 03/31/2014 2:14:42 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: nomad

What about using that energy for cracking water for Hydrogen to use in fuel cells? They are making progress in that technology.
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seems to me that I see an article in physorg every so often about at new water catalyst that cracks water better/faster/cheaper but I never hear of a follow up.


10 posted on 03/31/2014 2:16:33 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ModelBreaker

Hogwash..we have commercial quick charging in 20 minutes...just need them built up all over.


11 posted on 03/31/2014 2:19:13 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: neverdem
The work opens the door to displacing oil with abundant natural gas

Right. Natural gas will be abundant and cheap until everyone starts using it to power their truck fleets, electric power plants, etc.

Natural gas is great for heating homes and cooking food. Don't waste it on the other BS because it's "abundant". Mine coal, refine the thorium out of it to power LFTR reactors, and use some of the electricity to refine the remaining coal with the Fischer-Tropsch process.

Don't listen to the Watermelon Greenies about natural gas. IT'S A TRAP!

12 posted on 03/31/2014 2:53:59 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: RayChuang88

I think it would be more effective to generate hydrogen for motor vehicles.


13 posted on 03/31/2014 3:56:53 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: nomad; ckilmer
What about using that energy for cracking water for Hydrogen to use in fuel cells? They are making progress in that technology.
I would consider a fuel cell fueled by hydrogen produced by electrolysis to be a form of battery in its own right.

14 posted on 03/31/2014 4:52:26 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: neverdem
"...liquid methanol...."

IS nasty stuff.

15 posted on 03/31/2014 7:44:48 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: ckilmer
"Doubling is not an order of magnitude."

Depends on your number system choice.

16 posted on 03/31/2014 7:46:11 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Georgia Girl 2
"What happened to LENR?"

Nothing, it's just tough to pull off yet.

17 posted on 03/31/2014 7:47:24 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: neverdem

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18 posted on 04/05/2014 6:59:49 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: RayChuang88
I'll believe the battery thing when it happens. Liquid fuels are excellent for storing large amounts of energy. Batteries can do that, but they tend to be even touchier than the liquid fuels.

But your reactor could power the process described, or other processes for converting natural gas to liquid fuel. For the trains, and lots of other things, electricity is great, if it's cheap enough. But "go where you want to go, when you want to go there" mobile power is probably not one of them, except in hybrid power trains which take much less battery capacity.

19 posted on 04/06/2014 5:22:05 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: fabian
we have commercial quick charging in 20 minutes

Verses 2-3 minutes to fill up a completely empty tank? Maybe not a big deal, but a big irritant if one travels between cities much.

20 posted on 04/06/2014 5:24:56 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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