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What motivates a bishop to insist that mass murderers of babies MUST be given Communion? Why would a bishop threaten to punish his priests if they refuse Communion to these mass killers? What is he afraid of?

Antinomianism--LAWLESSNESS--is the hallmark of this age, in the White House, in Congress, and among the Catholic bishops. And Donald Wuerl, the Cardinal Archbishop of Washington, is the most outspoken proponent of antinomianism in the Catholic hierarchy.

1 posted on 03/27/2014 6:21:24 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
"mass murderers of babies"

I wish ZERO'S mama had had an abortion.
I too am opposed to abortion until I think about the mothers of ZERO, Biden, Hitlery, Dingy Harry. etc.

2 posted on 03/27/2014 6:35:45 AM PDT by DeaconRed (After 5 Yrs of ZERO I need one bourbon, one scotch and One beer. Me and George Thorogood.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

There is a difference between opposing the prohibition of a particular action and actually committing that action.

For instance, it is possible to be in favor of decriminalization of certain drugs without having ever used those drugs oneself. That is, in fact, my position.

While I’m prolife myself, I think claiming that politicians who are pro-choice are therefore themselves guilty of every abortion committed is stretching the argument a step too far.


3 posted on 03/27/2014 6:38:39 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Arthur McGowan

Not a Catholic myself, so don’t know whether an opinion is classified as a sin.

Does opposition to the prohibition of abortion constitute “obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin” per Catholic doctrine?


4 posted on 03/27/2014 6:41:04 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Arthur McGowan

We are told that as Catholics, abortion is a non-negotiable issue, and therefore, we are not to vote for pro-choice candidates. If the Church is serious about that, then, these pro-choice politicians should not be getting communion.


14 posted on 03/27/2014 7:47:02 AM PDT by virgil
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To: Arthur McGowan

May I ask, does your bishop obey Canon 915? Have you ever denied Communion to a parishioner for this reason?


17 posted on 03/27/2014 8:01:18 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Arthur McGowan; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; CynicalBear; ...
Canon 915 states: Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or the declaration of a penalty as well as others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to communion.

And with it,

Can. 916 A person who is conscious of grave sin is not to celebrate Mass or receive the body of the Lord without previous sacramental confession unless there is a grave reason and there is no opportunity to confess; in this case the person is to remember the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition which includes the resolution of confessing as soon as possible.- http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P39.HTM

But as i understand it, the decision to excommunicated is left to the local ordinary, though he can be overruled, but not by you as a peon. See more on this issue here. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2901874/posts?page=68#68

That is his interpretation of 915, shared by many, of canon 915, and if Rome does not formally excommunicate Rcs like Kerry, etc., discipline him Wuerl and the multitudes of known liberal RCs,, then it is implicitly sanctioning him a as what your really believe is shown by what you do. (Ja. 2:18)

“...there’s a question about whether this canon’’ – the relevant church law – “was ever intended to be used’’ to bring politicians to heel. "I stand with the great majority of American bishops and bishops around the world in saying this canon [Canon 915] was never intended to be used this way.'' -- http://www.canonlaw.info/2009/03/abps-wuerl-c-916-burke-cc-915-916-on.html

Albany Bishop Howard Hubbard says it is “unfair and imprudent” to conclude that Gov. Andrew Cuomo and his girlfriend, Sandra Lee, shouldn’t receive Communion simply because they’re living together. — from the thread Bishop: None of your business (Hubbard rejects Catholic expert’s criticism of Gov. Cuomo; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2679260/posts)

[Archbishop Timothy Dolan] also does not outright deny the sacrament to dissenting Catholic lawmakers, but he is seen as an outspoken defender of church orthodoxy in a style favored by many theological conservatives. — from the thread US bishops elect NYC archbishop as head in upset (Catholic bloggers blamed) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2711746/posts?page=289#289

And you have Notre Dame, approving the use of student organization funds to finance a trip for five of its students to Washington DC for a rally supporting Gay “marriage.” The Notre Dame students marched two miles across D.C. and then joined gay rights activists for a Capitol Hill rally. - http://www.cardinalnewmansociety.org/CardinalNewmanSociety/tabid/36/ctl/Details/mid/435/ItemID/710/Default.aspx

And the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops inviting President Barack Obama to attend the annual dinner of the Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation (Founded Francis Cardinal Spellman in 1946 to help the poor of NYC), on October 18, where he can expected to be applauded, not reproved, and which he will used to infer approval.

What is more on that aspect, after examining the official web sites of 244 Catholic universities and colleges in America, the TFP Student Action found that 107 – or 43% have pro-homosexual clubs. TFP Student Action Dec. 6. 2011; studentaction.org/get-involved/online-petitions/pro-homosexual-clubs-at-107-catholic-colleges/print.html

Consider how your last conservative pope treated Ted Kennedy, and tell me what that conveys.

He wrote to the pope, delivered by Pres. Obama, and the pope wrote back (through a senior Vatican official), out of which Cardinal McCarrick read, in which there was neither any evident penitence by the former or censure from the latter. Instead Kennedy insolently asserted he “never failed to believe and respect the fundamental teachings” of his church, and tried to be a faithful Catholic, etc..

The closest thing we get to any kind of contrition is the ambiguous, “I know that I have been an imperfect human being, but with the help of my faith, I have tried to right my path,” before he goes on to to defend his wonderful works, including fighting discrimination. Not a word of remorse about supporting abortion or promoting homosexual rights - which were part of his fight against discrimination, or promoting indolence and a welfare state.

And all we have from the papal response is no chastisement, but the pope expressing that, "he is particularly grateful for your promise of prayers for him and for the needs of the universal Church," and "invokes upon you the consolation and peace promised by the Risen Savior, and “cordially imparts his Apostolic Blessing as a pledge of wisdom, comfort and strength in the Lord.” (http://www.thebostonpilot.com/articleprint.asp?id=10800/)

Yet according to Canon 1184 §, unless they gave some signs of repentance before death, the following must be deprived of ecclesiastical funerals: 1/ notorious apostates, heretics, and schismatics; 2/ those who chose the cremation of their bodies for reasons contrary to Christian faith; 3/ other manifest sinners who cannot be granted ecclesiastical funerals without public scandal of the faithful. (http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P4X.HTM; http://www.ewtn.com/library/liturgy/zlitur280.htm)

Now you can talk all you want about latae sententiae, but if Rome treats such as members in life and in death, then it is obvious that that the conservative RC interpretation is not what Rome manifestly subscribes to and effectually conveys.

And thus they are your brethren, part of your church, exampling what Rome sanctions, and you must own them.

But RCs attack conservative evangelicals who were once part of the liberal RC church .

20 posted on 03/27/2014 10:39:00 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Arthur McGowan
From Wiki: The publicly unworthy are to be kept from the reception of the Divine Eucharist[2][3]

Makes ME wonder about the PRIVATELY unworthy...

22 posted on 03/27/2014 1:16:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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