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Democrats’ Growing Problems With Independent Voters on the Senate Map
Roll Call ^ | 2:44 p.m. on March 24, 2014 | Stuart Rothenberg

Posted on 03/24/2014 6:54:12 PM PDT by Red Steel

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1 posted on 03/24/2014 6:54:12 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Romney was the first nominee in history to win hugely among the independents, yet lose the race, and he did it in an election that couldn’t lose.

*Romney first to win independents big, lose election

*”Whoever wins independent voters in Ohio, wins Ohio,” Beeson said on “Fox News Sunday,” two days before the election.
He was, of course, wrong. Romney won self-identified Independents in Ohio by a overwhelming 10 points, according to exit polls, but lost the state to President Barack Obama by 2 points.
A similar trend was seen across much of the country — Romney won among Independents by 5 points, 50-45, but lost to Obama, 51-48.

*INFOGRAPHIC: Obama Lost Independent Vote In Almost Every Swing State
The president only won the independent vote in one battleground state: North Carolina.
Things looked very different for Obama in 2008, when independent voters came out in huge numbers to support him.
Just before Election Day, the Wall Street Journal reported those polling numbers had hardly changed, with Romney overwhelmingly leading among independent voters across the country. Republican pollster Bill McInteruff told the Journal the Democrats were “really flirting with trouble if you’re losing independents by this margin.”


2 posted on 03/24/2014 7:00:27 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Red Steel

If the Republicans want to win this election cycle, they need to hammer on Obama’s and the Dem’s failures. Namely Obamacare, the economy/jobs and their crony corruption in Washington. Tie the local elections and the current sitting dems to Obama and his failed policies.

Run adds with messages like -”When Obama needed votes for Obamacare, he could always count on Senator XXXX. And even when we found out that Obamacare was a failure, Senator XXXX still supported Obama.” Then play a clip with the Senator’s support of Obamacare. Then go into how Obamacare has cost people their health care and jobs. Detail a former business owner who had to close their business because of Obamacare. Then play the Senator’s support of Obamacare again.

End with “We dont think that is right and the American people deserve jobs, a growing economy and most importantly, they deserve a health care system that does not include government bureaucrats. Its time to stop Senator XXXX. Their betrayal of the American voter disqualifies them from the job.”


3 posted on 03/24/2014 7:05:15 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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It’s no longer significant to just win the independent vote. You have to GOTV in a BIG way in your own party to win statewide and national races.

Democrats have built up a formidable GOTV machine and that will have to be equaled or surpassed by the GOP even in midterms.

You can’t win if 4 million of your base voters stay home, as they did in 2012.


4 posted on 03/24/2014 7:18:46 PM PDT by randita
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To: sauropod

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5 posted on 03/24/2014 7:19:35 PM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: Red Steel
Congressional elections are ALWAYS about energizing the base, NOT swaying independent and undecided voters. The GOP is completely retarded to chase independent, undecided voters.

Even if I were the most RINO, limp-wristed, sissy-boy Republican, I'd at least pretend to "fight" Obama at every turn.


6 posted on 03/24/2014 7:29:07 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. DonÂ’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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To: Red Steel
GOP voters, who currently look eager to run into a burning building if that is what it takes to express their anger during the midterm elections.

I'm pissed. The Tea Party crowd I hang with are pissed. But that's not enough we need the average Jane & Joe to join us. Calvary Ho!

7 posted on 03/24/2014 7:35:30 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Red Steel

“and while 60 percent of Democrats said the economy is “very good” or “fairly good,””

“In addition, Democrats were upbeat about the direction of the country,”

These people scare the hell out of me.


8 posted on 03/24/2014 7:47:00 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: ansel12

The reason is simple. Many independents, like me, used to be Republicans. They have done such a great job of stinking up the party’s image it’s going to be tough to win anything.


9 posted on 03/24/2014 9:22:44 PM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: headstamp 2

The economy is great for parasites. Never better...


10 posted on 03/24/2014 9:24:05 PM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: taxcontrol
NAILED IT!

"If the Republicans want to win this election cycle, they need to hammer on Obama’s and the Dem’s failures. Namely Obamacare, the economy/jobs and their crony corruption in Washington. Tie the local elections and the current sitting dems to Obama and his failed policies."

11 posted on 03/24/2014 9:29:07 PM PDT by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (I AM ANDREW BREITBART)
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To: Red Steel

So maybe those mushy middle voters have some utility after all?


12 posted on 03/24/2014 11:11:42 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: ansel12

Two words: vote fraud.


13 posted on 03/25/2014 5:17:10 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

Fraud didn’t account for Romney losing, his politics did, Romney ran against the party who’s voters he needed to win.


14 posted on 03/25/2014 9:45:40 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

No one has quantified the scope of fraud in the last election. Ninety percent of it was in swing/close states. Romney was a horrible candidate. In fact, he was a horrible MA governor. However, he might have eked out a victory had it not been for unprecedented levels of unchallenged wholesale fraud.


15 posted on 03/25/2014 10:27:44 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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Romney lost by 4% points and 5 million votes.

Romney ran pro-abortion ads in Ohio, Virginia, and Wisconsin and lost all of them.


16 posted on 03/25/2014 10:32:43 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Unless and until a definitive quantification of voter fraud in key states is done, you and I will have to disagree on the role it played in the election.


17 posted on 03/25/2014 10:43:20 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

You mean that until you can show that the 2012 election was stolen, or that credible sources believe that it was, you may want to lay off making the silly claim.

I don’t need to change or verify anything, this is 2014, I just report the election results of the pretty solid defeat.

A defeat which Romney depressed his own turnout as he came out as pro-abortion (again) after he won the nomination, declared himself against the pro-life party platform, and restated his call to homosexualize the Boy Scout leadership.


18 posted on 03/25/2014 10:55:02 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

We see it differently. I can see both sides w’out insulting you. That’s getting to be a rare trait, it seems.


19 posted on 03/25/2014 11:19:23 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter
"Two words: vote fraud."

The difference is that you are just making something up and posting it as fact.

It is hard to respond to that bold of a dishonest statement without it sounding insulting.

20 posted on 03/25/2014 11:24:26 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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