Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane "Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean"

ABC ^ | 3/24/14 | Colleen Curry

[Star Traveler]

The fare is over $105,000 - into the pocket of the estate of the passengers ... :-) ...

[Star Traveler]

The search has JUST BEGUN in earnest ... now!

[Delta Dawn]

Color me skeptical. There seems to be a concerted effort under way to accept the ‘truth’ that MH370 crashed into the Indian Ocean.

Too many people are making assertions without a bit of physical evidence being displayed. Much like climate change is, ‘accepted science’, flight MH370s disappearance has more questions than reliable answers at this point.

[Star Traveler]

The “Pakistan theory” is dead!

[Uncle Chip]

<>And you believe that MH370 went south based on what?<>

First of all, do you believe in the relative accuracy of the Inmarsat Arc of the Last Ping???

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3135643/posts?page=28#21

If not then don’t waste my time.

[DoodleDawg]

Too many people are making assertions without a bit of physical evidence being displayed.

As opposed to the mountains of evidence indicating that it's sitting on the ground in Pakistan or Iran or some such place? </sarcasm>

[BuffaloJack]

They haven’t presented any evidence yet. Satelite photos are not conclusive evidence. Conclusive evidence is a tail section of floating seat cushions.

[mulder1]

What, “Using a type of analysis never before used in an investigation of this sort.”
Oh, I see, an air incident never before seen and an investigation using analysis never before used. That makes me feel safe. The best case scenario is that the Boeing 777 has a fatal flaw in its design and the F.A.A. already has posted a warning to all carriers on “rapid depressurization” as a result.

[Praxeologue]

Resd the thread at airliners.net. This won't end here. For example:

When they find actual airplane debris not pallets from MH 370 I will believe it has been lost in the Indian Ocean. There are too many countries with special interests in this event to rely totally on their conclusions. Malaysia and China come to mind for starters.

Inmarsat is virtually a mouthpiece for the CIA.

[Star Traveler]

It’s been pretty well accepted that the airplane was detected along those “two arcs” that we all saw on the many maps. And this was known for quite a while now, and no one had a problem with it.

NOW ... all “Inmarsat” has done is narrow it down to one of the two arcs. That doesn’t seem to be something that Inmarsat has some kind of “axe to grind” - about it.

[clintonh8r]

Exactly my point. That’s why I’d like to hear their independent confirmation on their data and analysis. Someone on another thread said that the sat company confirmed it on CNN a little while ago.

[Delta Dawn]

That phone call from the woman with false identification papers on an untraceable cell phone two hours before flight time speaks louder than any floating debris that may be found in the South Indian ocean.

[Yosemitest]

Because of the dependance on the Satellite's 40 degree arc being the LAST communication from MH370, you should know this ,:

" Space Weather, From Physics World, July 2000, by Janet Luhmann

... Space weather describes the conditions that prevail above the stratosphere - that is at altitudes of about 50 km and above - where responses to solar influences are particularly strong.
The regions that are affected include the Earth's upper atmosphere and the ionosphere - the ionized region of the upper atmosphere that extends for a few hundred kilometres into space.
The conditions also change the intensity of the radiation belts in the magnetosphere - the region beyond the ionosphere where electrons and ions are trapped by the Earth's magnetic field (figure 1).

Space weather is caused by the Sun's influence on the region of interplanetary space beyond the reach of the Earth's magnetic field.
This region is filled with a stream of protons and electrons from the outer atmosphere of the Sun together with its magnetic field, which collectively form the solar wind.

Stormy space-weather conditions are usually inferred from deviations in the magnetic fields that are measured by satellites and ground-based instruments.
These disturbances can also be deduced from conditions in the upper atmosphere and ionosphere, where intensified auroras and airglows are found.
At higher altitudes the intensity of both electromagnetic and particle radiation increases, which can pose a hazard for astronauts and possibly even for aircrew travelling on high-altitude routes
(see "Cosmic rays: an in-flight hazard?" by Denis O'Sullivan Physics World May 2000 p21).

In addition to power and communications failures on the ground, disturbed space weather increases the risk to space-craft on several counts.
During stormy conditions, communication and weather satellites that reside on the outer edges of the radiation belt can suddenly find themselves in an environment that differs from the one for which they were originally designed.

The boost in the intensity of the electromagnetic radiation at extreme ultraviolet wavelengths heats the upper atmosphere and causes it to inflate.
The resulting increase in the density of atmospheric gases at satellite altitudes can increase the atmospheric friction or drag on spacecraft, which can affect their orbit.
In the 1970s the Skylab space station re-entered the Earth's atmosphere prematurely following a period of unexpectedly high solar activity.
Indeed, this type of atmospheric drag is an ongoing concern with regard to the Hubble Space Telescope.

Furthermore, since signals to and from satellites are transmitted through the ionosphere, there is a far greater risk that instructions from a command centre will be affected during stormy space weather.

The performance of several expensive satellites, including the Intelstat and GOES-8 satellites in 1995 and Telesat in 1996, suffered briefly during or after a sequence of space-weather events.
More seriously, one of the Telstar satellites was lost in 1997 following such an event. "

So, satellite orbits are not "Stable" and that 40 degree arc isn't so dependable, either.

[Uncle Chip]

There seems to be a concerted effort under way to accept the ‘truth’ that MH370 crashed into the Indian Ocean.

Not from the beginning --

At the beginning there was a concerted effort by the Malaysians get everyone to accept that it crashed in the South China Sea, and then a concerted Malaysian effort to get everyone to search the Strait of Malaca, and then the Andamans ...

It is the Malaysians that have been holding concerts with few attending.

This is just Malaysia finally agreeing to attend the concert where everyone else is and the music is playing.

[Yosemitest]

We shall see.
The "dead" have yet to be found, or maybe they're not even deceased yet.
I believe my military experience.
Lt. Gen. McInerney makes sense, and is in communication with sources who have many more contacts than I do.

[DoodleDawg]

That phone call from the woman with false identification papers on an untraceable cell phone two hours before flight time speaks louder than any floating debris that may be found in the South Indian ocean.

Of course it does.

[usconservative]

The question is: HOW did it get there, and WHY?................

Either this was a terrorist hijacking/suicide, or the pilot committed suicide by plane. It was established early on that the pilot's wife and family left him the day before the flight. He could've been emotionally distressed and committed suicide taking the passengers with him.

I don't think we'll ever really know the full truth. I can only speculate (like everyone else.)

[Uncle Chip]

So, satellite orbits are not "Stable" and that 40 degree arc isn't so dependable, either.

And you don't think that Inmarsat can adjust for that.

Let's be clear:

The Inmarsat arc data at 1:11 was so spot that it was verfied by Malaysian radar and ATC to their dismay.

Then its arc data was spot on at 2:11 when the Malaysian military painted it with its radar at 2:15.

It was so accurate that it forced the Malaysian military to cr@p in their collective trousers and admit it after denying it.

It was the data at 3:11 that told them that it turned to head south. And it doesn't take a General to realize that.

So don't p@ss on my leg and tell me its in Pakistan.

[Delta Dawn]

‘Not from the beginning ‘

I agree with that.

When the Australian PM came out 3 or 4 days ago and said with some certainity that MH370 most likely crashed in the IO, I have to say that my Spidey Sense kicked into overdrive. At the time, search teams were still trying to find the debris that showed up on satellite images.

This scenario works best for all of the affected countries. The ability to say that this was a tragic accident that ended badly would be better than having to admit that an act of war has occurred.

[Yosemitest]

Your referenced source conveniently LEAVES OUT the "20 minute Safety Margin Fuel Reserve" and the "One Hour Emergency Fuel Reserve".
No, I do NOT have confidence in the accuracy of that data.
But I do thank you for the link.
It's a graphic that I'll examine in closer detail later.
Notice how conveniently they leave out the "IGREX" Way Point time and route point on Jet Route "P628" .

Their "South Indian Ocean Theory" is just FULL OF HOLES.

Compare that with this.

There are other intersections with those two graphics.