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A Warning from History: The Fatal Sequence and How Democracies Are Destroyed
memorytyper.com ^ | Fraser & Disraeli

Posted on 03/22/2014 12:54:00 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper

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21 posted on 03/22/2014 2:59:12 PM PDT by Vision (Living in beauty)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

And that’s exactly what Nancy Pelosi is promising to do! (sarc)


22 posted on 03/22/2014 4:16:52 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“I wonder where we are on Disraeli’s list...I think probably, as a nation, “complacency to apathy”..

Ding, ding! We have a winner.

The day we can get six conservatives off their fat butts to attend a local schoolboard meeting to throw commie teachers out of neighborhood schools is the day that we take the first step to win back our country.

Most conservatives are Mammon worshippers who care more about piling up dollars than securing liberty for their children. They’re too damn dumb to realize that the leftists in their local government will steal that stash through taxation and private property confiscation.

The Founders left a blueprint to fight tyranny, and it starts with Committees of Safety.

Look it up.


23 posted on 03/22/2014 4:26:13 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Beagle8U

All we need to do is cut corporate taxes and jobs will come back to the US.


24 posted on 03/22/2014 4:54:38 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Machiavelli accounts for this ‘repetitive’ oscillation by arguing that virtù (valor and political effectiveness) produces peace, peace brings idleness (ozio), idleness disorder, and disorder rovina (ruin). In turn, from rovina springs order, from order virtù, and from this, glory and good fortune. Machiavelli, as had the ancient Greek historian Thucydides, saw human nature as remarkably stable - steady enough for the formulation of rules of political behavior.

Machiavelli wrote in his Discorsi: “Whoever considers the past and the present will readily observe that all cities and all peoples...ever have been animated by the same desires and the same passions; so that it is easy, by diligent study of the past, to foresee what is likely to happen in the future in any republic, and to apply those remedies that were used by the ancients, or not finding any that were employed by them, to devise new ones from the similarity of events.”

“That no free government, or the blessing of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue, and by frequent recurrence to fundamental principles.” George Mason, Virginia Declaration of Rights, Section XV [1776] (see Machivelli— virtù)

(Someone here on FR posted this. I copied it to my quotes file. )


25 posted on 03/22/2014 7:22:08 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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The Electoral College is now the set of 538 dedicated party activists who vote as rubberstamps for presidential candidates. In the current presidential election system, 48 states award all of their electors to the winners of their state.

The National Popular Vote bill would end the disproportionate attention and influence of the “mob” in the current handful of closely divided battleground states, such as Ohio and Florida, while the “mobs” of the vast majority of states are ignored.
9 states determined the 2012 election.
10 of the original 13 states are politically irrelevant in presidential campaigns now.
24 of the 27 lowest population states, that are non-competitive are ignored, in presidential elections.
4 out of 5 Americans were ignored in the 2012 presidential election. After being nominated, Obama visited just eight closely divided battleground states, and Romney visited only 10. These 10 states accounted for 98% of the $940 million spent on campaign advertising.

With the current state-by-state winner-take-all system of awarding electoral votes (not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, but since enacted by 48 states), it could only take winning a bare plurality of popular votes in only the 11 most populous states, containing 56% of the population of the United States, for a candidate to win the Presidency with a mere 23% of the nation’s votes!

The current system does not provide some kind of check on the “mobs.” There have been 22,991 electoral votes cast since presidential elections became competitive (in 1796), and only 17 have been cast for someone other than the candidate nominated by the elector’s own political party. 1796 remains the only instance when the elector might have thought, at the time he voted, that his vote might affect the national outcome. Since 1796, the Electoral College has had the form, but not the substance, of the deliberative body envisioned by the Founders. The electors now are dedicated party activists of the winning party who meet briefly in mid-December to cast their totally predictable rubberstamped votes in accordance with their pre-announced pledges.

The U.S. Supreme Court has upheld state laws guaranteeing faithful voting by presidential electors (because the states have plenary power over presidential electors).


26 posted on 03/23/2014 10:49:23 AM PDT by mvymvy
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To: DJ Taylor

Unable to agree on any particular method, the Founding Fathers left the choice of method for selecting presidential electors exclusively to the states by adopting the language contained in section 1 of Article II of the U.S. Constitution— “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors . . .” The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly characterized the authority of the state legislatures over the manner of awarding their electoral votes as “plenary” and “exclusive.”

The National Popular Vote bill preserves the Electoral College and state control of elections. It changes the way electoral votes are awarded in the Electoral College. The candidate with the most votes would win, as in virtually every other election in the country.

Under National Popular Vote, every voter, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in every presidential election. Every vote would be included in the state counts and national count.

When states with a combined total of at least 270 Electoral College votes enact the bill, the candidate with the most popular votes in all 50 states and DC would get the needed majority of 270+ Electoral College votes from the enacting states. The bill would thus guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes.

The Republic is not in any danger from National Popular Vote.
National Popular Vote has nothing to do with pure democracy. Pure democracy is a form of government in which people vote on policy initiatives directly. With National Popular Vote, the United States would still be a republic, in which citizens continue to elect the President by a majority of Electoral College votes by states, to represent us and conduct the business of government.


27 posted on 03/23/2014 10:51:19 AM PDT by mvymvy
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