It’s typical liberal logic that the victim gets no help and the aggressor gets a pass and often even an apologist will explain why the aggressor was really in the right.
Charles -
Its none of our business. If we don’t have a vital interest, we should not get involved at all, period.
And because of you and the neo-Cold Warrior crowd, America looks weak and the Russians are laughing at us.
Even you don’t want to die for Crimea. Why do you think Obama should have been tougher with the Russians? Just asking.
Oh, really Charlie?
From UK financial reporter and blogger, Richard North: The EU has been meddling in the internal politics of Ukraine, not least through the sinister-sounding "Eastern Partnership Civil Society Forum". Rampantly pro-EU, the Ukraine "national platform" was established on 29 January 2011 at its founding conference in Kiev.
This organisation has provided an open site for a multiplicity of NGOs, specifically directed at "discussions, consultations, information activities in the implementation framework of the Eastern Partnership policy". Components of this Forum have been funded by the EU, and by other agencies, including funding from the Swedish government.
The extent of funding to the Eastern Partnership is colossal. Between 2011 and 2013, just EU spending on Ukraine was €389 million with €13,524,357 given to single beneficiaries in 2012. As much again was given to multiple recipients. But even more sinister is the way money was parcelled out to NGOs in relatively small packages, making a little go a long way.
Thus we have the Agency for Legislative Initiatives Citizens Association, getting €158,986; the All-Ukrainian Environmental NGO Mama-86, getting €194,942; the All-Ukrainian Non Governmental Organization Committee of Voters of Ukraine (CVU) with €245,350, the Centre for European Initiatives Civic Organisation (CEI) getting €101,180, the Charitable Foundation Democratic Initiatives (DIF) walking away with €54,918 and the All-Crimean Association of Voters for Civil Peace and Interethnic Harmony (CRPO) getting €20,304.
These and hundreds of other organisations have their noses in the EU trough, all dedicated, as the Civil Society Forum website openly admits, to bringing Ukraine "closer to the EU both politically and economically".
So it seems the EU was using threats and bribes as much as Russia, but portray themselves as bagel toting unicorn riders.
Now you say you’re lonely
You cried the long night through
Well, you can Crimea river, Crimea river
I cried a river over you
Now you say you’re so tough
While being a dweeb punk
Well, you can Crimea river, Crimea river
I cried, cried, cried a river over you
You drove these people, nearly drove them, out of their head
While you could never shed a tear
Remember, We remember, all that you said
You told us trust was too plebeian
Told us you were through with and never true
Now you say, you say you love us
Well, just to pretend that you do
Come on and Crimea river, Crimea river
‘Cause we cried a river cuz of you
You drove the people of Crimea, nearly drove them, out of their head
While you can’t shed a tear
Remember, remember, all that you said
Told us love was too plebeian
Told us you were through with us and…..
Now, now you say you love the Crimeans
Well, just to prove you do
Come on and cry, cry, Crimea river, Crimea river
‘Cause they cried a river over you
If their pillow could talk, imagine what it would have said
Could it be a river of tears surely they cried in bed?
So you can Crimea river
Mac Daddy, go ahead and cry that river
‘Cause they cried, Oh how they cried a river over you
How they cried a river over you
Ukraine broke away from the Soviet Union about 23 years ago by issuing a Declaration of Independence after the Soviet government started falling apart.
The “Treaty” Ukraine signed with the brand new Russian Federation was a joke.
Russia was led by Boris Yeltsin, a drunkard, a prima donna, and the engineer of the total collapse of the Russian economy.
In 2004, Ukraine's own government started falling apart.
Since 2008, Ukraine's economy has been falling apart.
In 2014, Crimea, which was independent of Ukraine as recently as 1945, and which is about 60% Russian, issued a Declaration of Independence and broke away from Ukraine.
I don't understand why America should risk war with Russia to force Crimea to re-join a dysfunctional and flat broke country like Ukraine.
What happened to Charles Krauthammer ? Is he out of his mind? Sad to read him nowadays.
Obama should have immediately restarted the missile defense program we promised. That would have been a more credible threat.
America Hating:
Originally posted by Natufian:
"Marguerite is a real piece of anti-american trash. Check out this...
“USNATO can still keep the little leaders gnomes like Camerons, Hollandes ank Tusks under their thumb, but the peoples of Europe hate their guts and want only one thing; that the warmongering US, CIA and their Blackwater thugs go back to America and never return. It happened before to hear it, isn’t so? When Charles de Gaulle ordered the evacuation of all US military bases from France, people chanted “Yankees, go home!”.
If you think that Europeans forgot your barbaric bombings in Yugoslavia, you’re deadly wrong. THE LAST THING Europe wants is a shodown with Russia. And for your information, Europe continent ends at Ural Mountains, Moscow, St.Petersburg, Nijni Novgorod and Archangels are European cities! They won’t build Europe against Russia, but WITH Russia. Ukraine IS in Europe, 7,000 miles away from US. I really don’t see how it’s America’s business. Besides, Ukraine isn’t even a member of NATO, they must get the hell out of there.”
Alex Jones acolyte
“merely russian propaganda”
Nope!
Back in December 2013, at the time Victoria Nuland announced that the United States had invested $5 billion dollars to help Ukrainians achieve a new form of government, Senator John McCain met with national-socialist (nazi) Svoboda Party leader Oleh Tyahnybok, sharing the stage with him at an event during which McCain gave the United States’ blessing for the opposition revolt.
As recently as three weeks ago, Nuland met with both Tyahnybok and Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who is now Ukraine’s putschist Prime Minister. In a leaked phone conversation, Nuland was caught red-handed scheming to install Yatsenyuk in the government before President Viktor Yanukovych had even left Kiev!
Despite Svoboda’s neo-nazi connections, the party has been handed key positions in the newly formed government. These posts include the deputy prime minister and the heads of the agriculture and environmental ministries. In addition to these positions, a Svoboda lawmaker was appointed the new prosecutor general in the interim government!
37 posted on 3/4/2014 11:16:51 AM by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
Just a quick search of some of that text showed me where he was copying and pasting and posting as 'news' to support his pro-russian, america-hating, conspiratorial Alex Jones views.(Others were from RT and other Russian outlets)
Russian shilling
Well, just read her most recent posts.
*reposted from an earlier post of mine*
I don’t think there’s a single thing he’s said about Russia or Putin that is negative, or a single thing about America that could be called positive.
And it’s not just Crimea he’s been defending. He’s been defending Russia on its invasion of Georgia too. Glorifying Putin, defending Russia’s economy, downplaying Russia’s expansionist motives and breathlessly posting ‘good news’ coming out of Russia and all with a heavy dosing of America hating in between.
Foreigner
Nothing wrong with that by itself, but here's his take on it:
"That’s all you know? Accusing everyone who doesn’t share your views to be either Russian, Serb, Libyan or any other nationality you fathom to be your “enemy”
I’m not from Russia, doofus, but I don’t want your crazy, inept president to start a nuclear war in Europe. What’s the US beef with Ukraine anyway, how is that its bloody business? Don’t you think that is high time America stop meddling in other countries’ affairs? Hasn’t it bomb enough countries to “save” them?"
58 posted on 3/12/2014 2:30:07 PM by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
Its enough to make Jimmy Carter look not so bad.
