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Angela Merkel declares G8 defunct; Europe scrambles to replace Russian gas
Hotair ^ | 03/20/2013 | Bruce McQuain

Posted on 03/20/2014 7:18:07 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has declared the G8 to be dead, thanks to Russia’s take over of the Crimea:

German Chancellor Angela Merkel declared the Group of Eight leading nations defunct given the current crisis in Ukraine, in a clear message to Russia that the world’s seven other major industrialized countries consider its actions in Ukraine unacceptable. “As long as there is no political environment for such an important political format as the G-8, the G-8 doesn’t exist anymore, not the summit nor the format,” said Ms. Merkel, in Germany’s parliament, the Bundestag. “Russia is widely isolated in all international organizations,” the chancellor said.

Ah, yes, the old “isolated in all international organizations” gambit. And what have all the “international organizations” done in reaction to Russia’s Crimean takeover? About what they did when Russia pushed into Georgia. A whole lot of nothing. It is one thing to have international organizations that have teeth and are willing to do something in reaction to such a blatant act. But when they mostly issue statements condeming the action and void the Netflix accounts of certain Russian officals, being isolated from those organizations isn’t such a big deal. All it does is make further diplomatic efforts more difficult, not that it is clear that Russia is open to diplomatic overtures.

Another thing that is happening is Europe is discovering it has managed to put itself in an energy situation that isn’t at all to its advantage. 30% of Europe’s natural gas flows through Russian pipelines (Germany gets 40% of its natural gas supplies from Russia).

So the scramble is purportedly on to change that situation.

European leaders will seek ways to cut their multi-billion-dollar dependence on Russian gas at talks in Brussels on Thursday and Friday, while stopping short of severing energy ties with Moscow for now. EU officials said the current Ukraine crisis had convinced many in Europe that Russia was no longer reliable and the political will to end its supply dominance had never been greater. “Everyone recognises a major change of pace is needed on the part of the European Union,” one EU official said on condition of anonymity. As alternatives to imported gas, the Brussels talks will debate the European Union’s “indigenous supplies”, which include renewable energy and shale gas.

Now, one would think that such a situation would call for drastic and speedy action. Anyone want to bet how long they dither and, should they decide to exploit their “indigenous supplies”, how onerous the rules and regulations will be?

When leaders of the European Union’s member states meet today and tomorrow (20-21 March) in Brussels, they hope to reach consensus on the EU’s long-term climate goals. But agreement appears unlikely because of deep divisions between east and west. Ahead of the summit, ministers from 13 member states signed a declaration supporting a European Commission proposal for an EU commitment to reduce carbon dioxide emissions by 40% from 1990 levels by 2030 – up from a 20% target set for 2020. This ‘green growth group’ includes France, Germany, Italy and the UK. But Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Slovakia are wary of the target and the timeline, and are resisting any such commitment.

The latter group will most likely be all for moving ahead as speedily as possible to exploit “indigenous supplies”. They’ll meet some pretty stiff headwinds, apparently, from the Western EU nations. You can almost see this train wreck coming.

Meanwhile in the pursuit of “green energy”, Europe is apparently ready to toss in the towel:

Governments across Europe, regretting the over-generous deals doled out to the renewable energy sector, have begun reneging on them. To slow ruinous power bills hikes, governments are unilaterally rewriting contracts and clawing back unseemly profits.

You have to laugh. ”Unseemly profits”? They’re subsidies, sir. Not profit.

It’ll be interesting to see if the EU has the will to sort this all out in the next couple of days. If one is a betting person, you’d have to guess that the odds for success are long, given the EU’s recent history.


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; Japan; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhorussia; canada; crimea; eu; europeanunion; france; g7; g8; germany; japan; merkel; methane; nato; opec; russia; ukraine; unitedkingdom; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
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1 posted on 03/20/2014 7:18:07 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Wow. Just imagine if we had some natural gas to spare. [sigh]


2 posted on 03/20/2014 7:23:04 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: SeekAndFind

Nice move, Obama/Hillary!

3 posted on 03/20/2014 7:23:46 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SeekAndFind

We should drill Alaska.


4 posted on 03/20/2014 7:28:12 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: SeekAndFind

Putin must be laughing at the stupidity of the West. He’s saying “it can’t be THIS easy.”


5 posted on 03/20/2014 7:31:19 PM PDT by henkster (I don't like bossy women telling me what words I can't use.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Like the League of Nations, much of the modern facade is crumbling.

You know, in 1914 the world was remarkably global, in both economic and political affairs. Communication too. It was an amazing time. Then WWI came along and swept away the monarchies, killed millions of people, unleashed Bolshevism and disrupted world trade.

2014? Here we go!

6 posted on 03/20/2014 7:31:52 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yup I think it could go hot real fast


7 posted on 03/20/2014 7:33:02 PM PDT by al baby (Hi MomÂ… I was refereeing to Obama)
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To: SeekAndFind

Let them freeze to death on their green power.


8 posted on 03/20/2014 7:33:16 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: SeekAndFind

Depending on whether you’re drilling, fracking, building a new power station, building a new pipeline, it generally takes about 5 or 10 years to develop new energy sources.

In the meantime, they are dependent on Russia.

And France, which eagerly joined Obama in murdering Kaddafi and aiding the Muslim rebels in North Africa, now has far less energy coming from there than they did before the “Arab Spring.”


9 posted on 03/20/2014 7:37:39 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SoFloFreeper

A possible slogan for Hillary! 2016

FOREWARD, HO!


10 posted on 03/20/2014 7:51:28 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

RE: FOREWARD, HO!

I’d like to see her use that slogan in a neighborhood that speaks ebonics.

How about this — Hillary, HO !!!


11 posted on 03/20/2014 7:55:56 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (question is this)
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To: SeekAndFind

LOL!


12 posted on 03/20/2014 7:56:57 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Always willing to further the advance of Communism, Benghazi Coward Obama and Gunboat Coward Kerry have teamed up to assure The Russian Bear that there will be no workplace violence when the Russians finally take over control of Ukraine, a former important Buffer Country within the former USSR.

As Commander in Chief of the mightiest military at present, Obama has cleverly determined that decreeing the use of the sacred ‘Edict of Democrat Gun Control’ will be a positive smokescreen step toward the eventual disarming of the US Army.

It is also a definite plus for Obama and Kerry to use at the negotiating table with Putin.

It really was no diplomatic contest with Nobel Peace Prize winning, Multi-Millionaire Obama negotiating against Putin, whose Country is so poor that it can’t even afford a shirt for Putin to wear while riding a horse, Cossack style.

By virtue of ‘The Power of Pen and Phone,’ Shrewd Foreign Policy Negotiator Obama issued the, (soon to be infamous), ‘Executive Order of Gun Control in the Ukraine.’

This was brilliant!

Any attempt by Russia FROM NOW ON to use their guns will instantly prove to the editors of the New York Times, and other, award-winning, powerful, Top Military Think Tanks, that Russia did not REALLY intend to reduce Gun Violence.

Thus, Russia should not, (at least for the moment), join the rest of the Liberal Intelligentsia Elite, commonly known as LIE.

FORWARD !


13 posted on 03/20/2014 8:02:51 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The girl scouts have already given us the slogan for 2016.


14 posted on 03/20/2014 8:04:00 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Can’t the EU just stop using Hydrocarbons in order to save the Planet?


15 posted on 03/20/2014 8:04:48 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: ClearCase_guy

I guess that the powers that be, wish to celebrate the centennial in style!

</sarc & sad irony>.


16 posted on 03/20/2014 8:15:06 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian ( I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: Paladin2

Just erect more wind turbines and cover the continent with solar panels.


17 posted on 03/20/2014 8:16:01 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: SoFloFreeper
Hillary's "reset button" is actually an "E-Stop button", short for "Emergency Stop button", as anyone who works around ANY equipment sporting such a button knows.

The Russians must have wondered what in the world this American idiot was trying to illustrate with an E-Stop button.

Then later the potato gift from Kerry.

What complete fools we have running our so-called foreign policy.

E-Stop buttons are used on all kinde of machining equipment, other industrial and agricultural machines, military equipment, etc.

Most politicians are completely ignorant of such things, they know so little, they don't know what they don't know.

18 posted on 03/20/2014 8:20:29 PM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

You can bet they’re getting ready to “overcharge” us...


19 posted on 03/20/2014 8:21:22 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Europe scrambles to replace Russian gas

No problem - Obama is shipping 4 million Unicorns to them.


20 posted on 03/20/2014 8:23:05 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The future ain't what it use to be -- Yogi Berra)
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To: SeekAndFind

“European leaders will seek ways to cut their multi-billion-dollar dependence on Russian gas”

Hey, I’ve got an idea! How about building some more windmills and solar panels! That should do the trick, right?


21 posted on 03/20/2014 8:25:07 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Mogger
Most politicians are completely ignorant of such things, they know so little, they don't know what they don't know.

Dunning-Kruger Effect (summarized): "Stupid people are too stupid to realize they're stupid".

("The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude.")


22 posted on 03/20/2014 8:31:42 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The future ain't what it use to be -- Yogi Berra)
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To: SeekAndFind

Be nice to Israel and get it from them?


23 posted on 03/20/2014 8:33:53 PM PDT by bergmeid
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To: Cicero

Power plants using natural gas fired combustion turbines take about two years to complete from ground breaking. That can be more than 200 megawatts in one pop.


24 posted on 03/20/2014 8:40:00 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: 1rudeboy

If we end up supplying the Euros with gas, they better be forced to pay a very pretty penny for it.


25 posted on 03/20/2014 8:42:14 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: 1rudeboy

We do have natural gas to spare. Lots of it. The shale play drilling is the cause of our rapidly approaching energy independence. The oil produced from the gas wells is reducing our need for imported oil. Unfortunately the low price of natural gas in the US caused by the massive over supply is making it less feasible to continue drilling. Drillers are concentrating on areas with wet gas to get the propane, butane, ethane and pentanes that accompany the methane for another revenue stream.

The solution is to build LNG facilities and start dumping that surplus gas in Europe thereby beggaring Russia. Putin will then be known as .... kaputin.


26 posted on 03/20/2014 8:46:36 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: workerbee

How about triple? Is that profitable enough for you? Europe is paying three times as much for natural gas as we are. I think we might be able to eke out a few billion dollars of profit.


27 posted on 03/20/2014 8:50:03 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: meatloaf

Aww, poor them.


28 posted on 03/20/2014 8:52:27 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: meatloaf
The solution is to build LNG facilities and start dumping that surplus gas in Europe thereby beggaring Russia. Putin will then be known as .... kaputin.

If I am not mistaken, two LNG terminals have, at long last, been permitted and are under construction.

29 posted on 03/20/2014 8:53:03 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

I know of one on the West coast that will be shipping gas to Japan. Where’s the other? The biggie will be Cove Point in MD. The underground piping and the pipelines are already in place. That’s the one that will put Putin in Depends for the rest of his life.


30 posted on 03/20/2014 8:55:53 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Mogger

Green is OFF, red is ON?


31 posted on 03/20/2014 9:02:35 PM PDT by RedhairRedhair (I STILL love my (scab made) Toyota)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is nutty. They have plenty of coal, yet refuse to use it, even in the face of a military threat from Russia.


32 posted on 03/20/2014 9:11:20 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

perezagruzka, peregruzka. What difference does it make?


33 posted on 03/20/2014 9:14:48 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The German Chancellor is trying to fill the vacancy created by the Liberal Messiah’s wussyness.


34 posted on 03/20/2014 10:32:33 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Excellent point.


35 posted on 03/21/2014 1:28:58 AM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: meatloaf

...”one that will put Putin in Depends for the rest of his life”....

Putin’s already been three steps ahead of all these sanctions no matter how far they go...Made a deal with China who will buy if the prices change or Ukraine shuts his pipelines down...also while all eyes were on Ukraine, Putin made an oil deal in S. America and another in Africa.

Remember, Putin himself makes all the oil deal decisions so he’s ahead of this game currently.

The Oligarchs moved their money long ago to other nations favorable to Putin....so the EU might be biting their nose off if they go too far...he’ll just cut them off entire.


36 posted on 03/21/2014 1:45:01 AM PDT by caww
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To: meatloaf

Here you go:

http://www.thestreet.com/story/12496539/1/nat-gas-export-the-next-horizon.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO


37 posted on 03/21/2014 2:12:21 AM PDT by DaveArk
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To: Cicero

But most, if not virtually all of France’s power is nuke.


38 posted on 03/21/2014 4:00:43 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Cicero

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Country-Profiles/Countries-A-F/France/


39 posted on 03/21/2014 4:02:32 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: meatloaf
We do have natural gas to spare. Lots of it.

I know. We flame so much NG from Bakken that you can see the light from outer space. I was being facetious.

40 posted on 03/21/2014 4:39:56 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: SeekAndFind

IIRC, Germany was so spooked by Fukushima that they voluntarily chose to dismantle their entire nuclear energy program.

I wonder if maybe, just maybe, it’s beginning to dawn on them that cutting off their own energy supply and instead becoming dependent upon an unfriendly nation was not necessarily the smartest move they could have made.


41 posted on 03/21/2014 5:36:50 AM PDT by bus man (Loose Lips Sink Ships)
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To: workerbee

It’s been about 5 years and you still can’t get a pipeline built from Canada. Good luck getting one across the Atlantic to supply all of Europe.


42 posted on 03/21/2014 5:48:33 AM PDT by wiseprince
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To: 1rudeboy
Wow. Just imagine if we had some natural gas to spare. [sigh]

We don't have the facilites to liquify it or the LNG tankers to ship it. At the other end Europe doesn't have enough refineries to process the LNG imports sufficient to replace Russian gas. Any alternative to Russian supplies is years away.

43 posted on 03/21/2014 5:53:39 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

I know, we could’ve started years ago but for the current occupant of the White House.


44 posted on 03/21/2014 5:54:52 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
I know, we could’ve started years ago but for the current occupant of the White House.

Any other president would have been psychic? Up until a month ago there wasn't any reason for Europe to be considering alternative sources for their natural gas. No company is going to invest the billions in an LNG processing plant without a guaranteed customer.

45 posted on 03/21/2014 6:00:21 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
The DOE must approve LNG applications, and it sits on them. Furthermore, U.S. industries that use NG are lobbying our government to not repeal the law that requires DOE review.

No company in its sane mind would construct a LNG plant under these circumstances. (Although I hear one company is trying, in Texas).

46 posted on 03/21/2014 6:04:30 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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oops--The DOE must approve LNG export applications....
47 posted on 03/21/2014 6:05:10 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: caww

There’s an analysis on the internet that I don’t entirely agree with, in part, because of the magnitude of the prediction. The author predicts the price of oil will fall into the $20 range. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a move below $60 to $80/bbl due to our energy independence.

In the recent past the US has consumed 50% of the world’s oil production. We’ve produced half of that domestically. That means 25% of the world’s oil will be left on the table, so to speak, when we achieve full energy independence. Of course the growth of the world’s demand will take part of it.

That much oil overhanging the market limits the ability of traders to exploit incidents to drive pricing. As the glut undercuts the world oil price, those nations requiring money to support domestic programs such as Russia and Iran will have to pump more oil to maintain their income levels. It may not be a race to the bottom but it will destroy OPEC’s ability to price fix as oil exporting nations undercut each other.

Natural gas is slowly cutting into gasoline’s share of the market for vehicle fuel. As an example West Virginia is pursuing a state fleet powered by natural gas. Fueling stations are being built now with some already in operation.

What is happening is a perfect storm that will drastically reduce oil and gas pricing. Russia may be able to avoid some of that by locking in long term contracts. It will still dramatically reduce the 50% contribution to the Russian federal budget.

As a side note, Putin knows he’s in trouble. One of his recent moves was to tell the oligarchs they’ll have to pay more taxes. His only hope is that Obama doesn’t unleash capitalism in the form of natural gas exports on his ass.

While Putin may try to sell oil in South America he’ll be competing with Venezuelan oil we no longer buy. He’ll also be competing against against Brazil who has long been an oil importer but will soon be one of the world’s biggest exporters.

Sooner, or later, Putin is kaputin.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-12/brazil-to-boost-oil-exports-as-output-triples-iea-says.html


48 posted on 03/21/2014 6:29:55 AM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Angela Merkel declared the Group of Eight leading nations defunct”

Are they all dead?
Gosh.
THAT’s news.


49 posted on 03/21/2014 6:37:41 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Angela Merkel declared the Group of Eight leading nations defunct”

Are they all dead?
Gosh.
THAT’s news.


50 posted on 03/21/2014 6:37:45 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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