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To: redgolum

The Ukrainian Parliament, whose membership had NOT suddenly changed, LEGALLY impeached (in effect) Yanukovych, who had trampled all over the Ukrainian constitution, thrown his opoposition in jail via kangaroo courts, etc.

Behind the scenes, the same oligarchs to which the Ukraine Parliament has always answered, are still in place.

If the Parliament had been forcibly replaced in large numbers, then the tossing of Yanukovych (who’s election was probably fraudulent anyway), would have been illegal. But, that “if” did not happen. And... the last I heard, there were still many protesters in Maydan — not so much the neo-Nazis, but the same people who made up the bulk of the mass protests, wanting an end to the corruption. (By now, I’d think there would be large scale anti-Russian protests as well. Who can blame them?)

Now it is true that it is hard to find a Ukrainian politician who is not corrupt. However, some are more tyrannical than others.

Is Yulia Tymoshenko (probably a more important voice for Ukraine today than the entire present exec. branch) a Nazi?

That said, I still find all the propaganda and internal politics “noise” and essentially irrelevant, in the larger picture. What has been shown is that the US (and apparently most of its people) are dishonorable and won’t live up to a big time Security Assurance.

Our worthlessness is the real problem, as it will lead to NO US ally trusting us, a major arms race (nuclear in several cases), and most likely an eventual regional nuclear war (if we are lucky it stays that size), as conflicts break out as others move into the vacuum we leave behind. This is MUCH more likely than Putin deciding to use nukes in virtually any scenario immediately arising from this Ukraine situation.


121 posted on 03/19/2014 4:54:53 AM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Paul R.
"Our worthlessness is the real problem, as it will lead to NO US ally trusting us, a major arms race (nuclear in several cases), and most likely an eventual regional nuclear war (if we are lucky it stays that size), as conflicts break out as others move into the vacuum we leave behind."

Thank you! This is the concept that the Paulbots failed to grasp. While I agreed with Ron Paul on many things domestically. This is the reason he was disqualified from ever being considered commander in chief. He thinks our foreign policy should be run like it's 1789. Yes, George Washington's advice to beware of foreign entaglements was good advice back then. However, George Washington did not have to deal with the threats of nuclear war. If he had, his opinion may very well have changed.

Yes, I think our military should be used only in advancing our interests and not be used willy nilly around the world. However, it is in our interests to be a leader on the world stage and honor our world commitments. Power abhors a vacuum and if we don't step up, someone else will. Our weakness on the world stage has consequences. As you mentioned, many other powers perceiving our fecklessnes to help them, could turn to nuclear devices and other less savory partners.

Even a limited nuclear war on the other side of the world would affect us here in the United States. The nuclear fallout would affect us. Turkey is making a courageous decision and though many things they have done lately have angered us, this is in our interests. It is more damaging than anything we are currently doing to Russia. If Turkey needs our assistance with Naval help, we should be supplying it to them.
122 posted on 03/19/2014 5:44:16 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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