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To: betty boop; All
At the risk of seeming foolish, I will take someone's advice and share what I wrote in a freepmail:

As you may already know I have been working on a new paradigm, a new cosmology founded in how the big bang brought the current Universe of multi-dimensions into existence. [Nachmonides, in his 13th century comments on Genesis said that he was led to speculate there are at least ten dimensions.]

In my research I have come to believe God created dimension Time first, then dimension Space, then Time inflated dragging space along into a volume of what we now call spacetime. Initial conditions were at the Planck scale/length and at that scale no electromagnetic radiation can happen.

When Time took hold of Space and inflated then God’s command of ‘Light Be’ happened in the expanding volume. THEN God spoke all matter into being, at the quark scale, and has added all the other dimensions to the volume according to His timing and plan. But that volume has variable expressions of time which are not on the planck span (as in the energy of the vacuum) and which give rise to expressions of ‘things’ very different from our familiarity.

The most fundamental expression of dimension Time is in a granular tension with the most fundamental expression of space. It is the accumulation of these grains of spacetime as matter which causes the volume to ‘drag on’ or resist matter. Inertial mass is the vacuum resisting the change of temporal ‘position’ of matter, and gravity is the accumulated drag seeking to return to initial conditions, temporally.

Each dimension has at least three variable expressions. I speculate that there is a dimension from which Life emerges to inveigle the volume of spacetime, and Time has linear, planar, and volumetric expressions. There are, I believe, beings existing in the volume who are not temporally oriented the way humankind is (humans as receivers and processors of data from already happened events; as Alamo_Girl is fond of pointing out, 'without time events do not occur and without space thins do not exist').

Plant life processes the Universe volume differently than animal life. And animal life processes data over a broader variation of limits ... our vision is very narrow wavelength-wise compared to some other animals, and bats, for another example, can sense their surroundings using sound waves. But I am convinced that there are other parallel continua in the volume of spacetime which are arranged differently, such that a being ‘there’ can receive and process data from our limits, but we are not capable of sensing data at their level of complexity. An example is found in Daniel chapter five.

This new cosmology lends a very different definition to dimension Time, such that a whole new understanding of how the Universe works in our ‘limits well’ and beyond arises. An example of a very significant phenomenon is the way photon energy (and all electromagnetic waves in general) travels the Universe; because photons have no inertial mass, they impact a receiver with just their wave energy complexity and do not register as spatial phenomena. Thus inertia and gravity are temporal based phenomena interacting with the fabric of the volume ... dimension Time dragged dimension Space along making a volume.

I’ve written all that to say this: God’s clocking is different from ours yet He uses a reference frame in the Bible determined by the rotation of our planet as we count it, because His perspective in the Bible is meant JUST for we humans and the Angels who are involved with us. It may be that we humans are the ONLY biological beings in whom God has placed the dimension of Spirit (in the sense of the biology arisen from our limits well, and not biology perhaps arisen in a different limits well ... planar temporal bodies will be very different in data processing from ours; the data processing of chemical breakdown of other living things, to acquire the constituent portions of same for energy production may not be the modus operandi of planar temporal beings, who might receive and process energy directly via absorption not chemical entropy bound). The eight day of God’s Creation may be governed by a very different set of limits, but will still be in the volume of spacetime Created by God, a volume which began as moment then added point and inflating moment into linear then planar then volume, but into which expanding volume other dimensions have been added, as God continues to Create within the marvelous thing we call ‘the Universe’.


28 posted on 03/08/2014 2:52:44 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN; betty boop; TXnMA; Just mythoughts; metmom
Thank you so much for sharing your new paradigm, dear MHGinTN! It is a very engaging extension of the volumetric time (more than one dimension of time) we've discussed before.

I'm still thinking about the idea that time would be created before space, but I wanted to offer the following for anyone following along on the issues concerning the physical beginning ex nihilo:

Mathematically, the dimension of a space is the minimum number of coordinates (axes) necessary to identify a point within the space. A space of zero dimensions is a point; one dimension, a line, two dimensions, a plane; three, a cube, etc. That is the geometry of it. In zero dimensions, the mathematical point is indivisible.

It is not nothing. It is a spatial point. A singularity is not nothing.

In ex nihilo Creation (beginning of space/time) - the dimensions are not merely zero, they are null, dimensions do not exist at all. There is no space and no time. Period.

There is no mathematical point, no volume, no content, no scalar quantities. Ex nihilo doesn’t exist in relationship to anything else; there is no thing.

In an existing physical space, each point (e.g. particle) can be parameterized by a quantity such as mass. The parameter (e.g. a specific quantity within the range of possible quantities) is in effect another descriptor or quasi-dimension that uniquely identifies the point within the space.

Moreover, if the quantity of the parameter changes for a point, then a time dimension is invoked. For example, at one moment the point value is “0” and the next it is “1”.

Wave propagation (e.g. big bang, inflation) cannot occur in null dimensions nor can it occur in zero spatial dimensions, a mathematical point; a dimension of time is required for any fluctuation in a parameter value at a point.

Moreover, wave propagation must also have a spatial/temporal relation from cause point to effect point, i.e. physical causation.

For instance “0” at point nt causes “1” at point n+1t+1 which causes "0" at point n+1t+2 etc..

Obviously, physical wave propagation (e.g. big bang/inflationary model) cannot precede space/time and physical causality. Again,

In the absence of space, things cannot exist.

In the absence of time, events cannot occur.

Both space and time are required for physical causation.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Revelation 1:8

To God be the glory!.

44 posted on 03/08/2014 10:16:45 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: MHGinTN; Buggman; Alamo-Girl; TXnMA; Just mythoughts; metmom; Heartlander
In my research I have come to believe God created dimension Time first, then dimension Space, then Time inflated dragging space along into a volume of what we now call spacetime. Initial conditions were at the Planck scale/length and at that scale no electromagnetic radiation can happen.

If your supposition is correct that God created Time first, then Time "dragged" space along with it, then the way you work out the consequences is impressive, extremely well done.

But I guess I'm fairly well wedded to Einstein's "unification" of space and time, along with his stipulation that the speed of light is a universal constant (or became such at some point in the evolution of His Creation?).

You reverse Newton's presupposition of Absolute Space: That is, first God created space, and then He made things to fill it over Time.

I don't think Newton's view is correct (because of my acceptance of Einstein's unification).

One thing I do think is needful is your concept of "volumetric time," which, to me, posits additional temporal dimension(s) beyond the familiar three-space/one-time construct that can be directly verified by observation and experience.

P. S. Wesson seems to be addressing this in his article, "Quantum-Mechanical Consequences of Five-Dimensional Relativity". In his Abstract, Wesson writes:

I outline a model where a massive particle in 4D spacetime follows a null or photon-like path in 5D canonical space. This leads to wave-particle duality, quantization and a Heisenberg-like uncertainty relation, along with other effects which show that it is possible to unify general relativity and quantum mechanics in 5D."

I gather Wesson's project here is quite modest as compared with yours. But the point is he needs to add a fifth, timelike dimension in order to solve certain elusive puzzles about the nature of our Universe.

Time in the 4D construct is irreversible, linear, serial, moving past to present to future. All causation on this model can only be local causation. It looks to me that the additional temporal dimension you propose in your model of volumetric time is essential to the understanding of non-local causation.

I have no clue how many dimensions there actually are. I've seen proposals (e.g., from the Russian mathematician P. D. Ouspensky) of as many as seven. But Nachmonides may well be right there are ten.

What troubles me (somehow) is the idea of God adding dimensions as the Universe unfolds, in mid-course, so to speak.

Of course, if God wants to work that way, who am I to complain? My point is, this appears to be inconsistent with Jeremiah 31:33: As Buggman recently pointed out, "God [in] several places in His Word points to the constant laws of nature as being proof of His justice and steadfastness to Israel." (Which is also an argument in favor of the constancy of C.) But then, Jeremiah says, "after those days." I guess I have a bit more studying to do, to discover the significance of that statement: I am not well schooled in Old Testament texts. (Buggman, can you help me here?)

Anyhoot, I applaud your outstanding effort here, dear brother in Christ. Yet clearly, I do not yet understand it. If you can help me with that, I'd be grateful.

In His love and peace.

p.s.: Sorry to be so long getting back to you. My FIL passed away last Saturday, and I've been mostly preoccupied with family matters since then.

85 posted on 03/23/2014 1:09:44 PM PDT by betty boop (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. —Thomas Jefferson)
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