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To: betty boop
Even if we were to say "a Day of the Lord is as 1,000 years," we are still using the human notional concept of what a "year" is.

Apparently God decided to give us a bit of understanding in how HE counts time. Why else would Peter say ....

IIPeter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,

that one day is with the LORD as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

God is 'time' and controls time.

24 posted on 03/08/2014 12:33:28 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts; TXnMA; Alamo-Girl; spirited irish; xzins; rktman; P-Marlowe; MHGinTN; ...
God decided to give us a bit of understanding in how HE counts time.

One can look at it that way.

Then again, one could say that God, communicating with his children, knew He had to speak to them in terms that they could understand. IOW, according to the human concept of time, at the time.

"1,000" was about the biggest number that people could conceive at the time. There is a relic of this notion in the system of Roman numerals: That system's biggest integer was and is "M" — denoting "one thousand."

Here are the Roman numerals, just for a refresher:

I = 1
V = 5
X = 10
D = 50
C = 100
L = 500
M = 1,000

All the Roman numbers were expressed in terms of these seven "numerals."

[Note there is no zero (0)]

In this system, the year 2014 Anno Domini would be written: MMXIV.

Just a thought, Just mythoughts!

The important thing is God is Truth. And His Truth does not depend on our detailed understanding of it for its Truth.

Thank you ever so much for your thoughtful reply!

25 posted on 03/08/2014 1:06:18 PM PST by betty boop (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. —Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Just mythoughts; MHGinTN; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; spirited irish; xzins; rktman; P-Marlowe
"... one day is with the LORD as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day..."

1 = 365, 250 = 1

Can you comprehend that? Within the mathematics that is proven true in our created universe, that statement is simply and humanly incomprehensible.

And that -- incomprehensible -- is precisely how God intended Peter to describe Him -- and His timescale.

Thus, MHGinTN's statement,

“God’s clocking is different from ours yet He uses a reference frame in the Bible determined by the rotation of our planet as we count it, because His perspective in the Bible is meant JUST for we humans and the Angels who are involved with us.” [emphasis mine]

"does not compute", either.

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Our God and Creator is Omnipotent, Eternal, and Changeless and, yes, Incomprehensible to our finite, created minds. We simply must accept that -- and look forward to the promised future when "we shall see Him as He is..."

Any attempt on our parts to "cram God into a human or earthly box to fit our comprehension" is -- simply -- wrong.

The only time our God debased Himself to our level was when, for a specific purpose, ("to seek and to save that which was lost") He assumed human flesh, and submitted to the ultimate debasement of the Cross.

When we fully comprehend His descent from Omnipotence to execution, the true majesty of His "Amazing Grace" should totally overwhelm us with gratitude!

That is why I only feel safe describing the elapsed time of Creation (from our Creator's vantage point) as,

"Six of our Creator's 'workdays'"

Attempting to apply any earthly or human measure beyond that is a risk I am not willing to take.

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As Alamo-Girl often reminds us:

"Man is not the measure of God."

35 posted on 03/08/2014 6:42:31 PM PST by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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To: Just mythoughts; betty boop; TXnMA; xzins; MHGinTN
IIPeter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the LORD as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

I would hasten to add that "1,000 years to man is a day to God" is prophecy. Whereas it is related to Creation week, it is on top of it.

The key to this understanding is the Sabbath. God rested on the seventh day of Creation week.

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. - Genesis 2:1-3

That is day of Creation we currently are “in” according to Jewish Physicist Gerald Schroeder.

Exodus 20:8 and 11 show that keeping the Sabbath in memory of the Creator/Creation is a commandment of God.

The Sabbath is also prophecy.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. - Colossians 2:16-17

Keeping that in mind we can see that in God’s prophecy a day is to be understood as 1,000 years to Adamic man.

For instance, He swore to Adam that in the day he ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil he would surely die and Adam died on earth having lived (here) 930 years – Gen 5:5

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. - Genesis 2:17

And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. - Genesis 5:5

Adam died in the first of seven days.

We see a day=1,000 years confirmed in Psalms 90:4 and again in 2 Peter 3:8 which you already quoted.

For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. - Psalms 90:4

Christ’s millennial reign on earth must be the last day, the Sabbath, the last 1,000 years.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. - Revelation 20:4

And when we look at ancient writings which were never canonized by the Catholic church, we can see 7000 years appointed to Adamic man was a common belief in the early church.

See below for the Epistle of Barnabas 15:3-5 (not to be confused with the Gospel of Barnabas a late 16th century fraud.) The Epistle of Barnabas dates back to the first few centuries after Christ’s resurrection. It is quoted by Clement of Alexandria and also mentioned by Origen.

“He speaks of the Sabbath at the beginning of the Creation, "And God made in six days the works of His hands and on the seventh day He made an end, and He rested on the seventh day, and He sanctified it. Consider, my children what this signifies: That He made an end in six days. The meaning of it is this: that in six thousand years the Creator will bring all things to an end, for with Him one day is a thousand years. He Himself testifies, saying, Behold the day of the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore children, in six days, that is in six thousand years, all things shall be accomplished. And He rested on the seventh day: He means this, that when His Son shall come He will destroy the season of the wicked one, and will judge the godless, and will change the sun and the moon and the stars, and then He will truly rest on the seventh day.”

We also can see it in 2 Enoch:33 here:

“And I appointed the eighth day also, that the eighth day should be the first-created after my work, and that (the first seven) revolve in the form of the seventh thousand, and that at the beginning of the eighth thousand there should be a time of not-counting, endless, with neither years nor months nor weeks nor days nor hours.”

I agree with these early Christians, that the 1,000 years/1 day is part of prophecy and that Adamic man (who was banished to mortality at the top of Genesis 4) was appointed a total of 7,000 years.

God's Name is I AM.

41 posted on 03/08/2014 9:16:45 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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