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Russian soldiers take over Crimean airports: minister
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| Feb. 28, 2014, 3:59 a.m. EST
| Lukas I. Alpert
Posted on 02/28/2014 4:19:10 AM PST by Zhang Fei
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Obama will now have to decide whether to provide food, money and arms to the Ukrainians, and if so, how much. Lots of mothballed surplus Russian weaponry in ex-Warsaw Pact armories waiting for the scrapyard. Stingers, LAW's and so on would be helpful if the Ukrainians decide to put up a fight. Stingers, in particular, proved decisive in Afghanistan. My take is that if the Ukrainians are prepared to fight for their freedom and territorial integrity against their Russian overlords, we should be prepared to arm and feed them.
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posted on
02/28/2014 4:19:10 AM PST
by
Zhang Fei
To: Zhang Fei
NEVER! stay out of there.
and while we are at it time to leave Hamid Karzai to his mess.
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posted on
02/28/2014 4:28:41 AM PST
by
Vaquero
(Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
To: Zhang Fei
Good lord now we will hear from the conservative faction from the Harvard Endowment (looters of post-Soviet Russia). My personal wants are for mainly peaceful splitting of the country. (because I want to split from Blue Dystopia)
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posted on
02/28/2014 4:30:20 AM PST
by
junta
("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
To: Zhang Fei
Obama will now have to decide whether to provide food, money and arms to the Ukrainians, and if so, how much.I suspect George Soros will be doing most of the deciding for him.
Mr. niteowl77
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posted on
02/28/2014 4:32:20 AM PST
by
niteowl77
("Why do we go to Iowa? Because that's where the suckers are.")
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To: junta
Good lord now we will hear from the conservative faction from the Harvard Endowment (looters of post-Soviet Russia).The looters are mainly Soviet ex-apparatchiks. They've been looting foreign investors every chance they've gotten. You have to hand it to the Russians, though - they've managed to blame their initial economic malaise on foreigners. But what would you expect from the Russians? They did manage to convince a good chunk of the world that the CIA invented AIDS to kill black people.
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posted on
02/28/2014 4:36:10 AM PST
by
Zhang Fei
(Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
To: Zhang Fei
Strategically, Russia has to do whatever is necessary to maintain its Black Sea assets. The Ukraine will have to surrender the Crimea in exchange for a Russian OK for it to join NATO and the EU.
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posted on
02/28/2014 4:36:23 AM PST
by
bjc
(Show me the data!)
To: Zhang Fei
Nothing is gonna happen, Obama will do nothing, EU will do nothing because the simple answer is because Putin and the rest of the world is not going to risk war with Russia over this.
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posted on
02/28/2014 4:37:24 AM PST
by
sunmars
To: sunmars
Nothing is gonna happen, Obama will do nothing, EU will do nothing because the simple answer is because Putin and the rest of the world is not going to risk war with Russia over this.Why would supplying Ukraine risk war with Russia?
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posted on
02/28/2014 4:38:20 AM PST
by
Zhang Fei
(Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
To: Zhang Fei
The Ukraines have dug themselves into a hole since they opted for independence in 1991.
They finally elected a president...and ONE FACTION says "we don't like him" because he went to Russia for help that the EU will never provide.
They're nuts.
And Crimea should be returned to Russia.
There are agreements with Russia regarding their ports. The Ukrainians are revolting AGAIN because there are instigators all around....and that includes the USA.
There is no Freedom issue.
To: bjc
Strategically, Russia has to do whatever is necessary to maintain its Black Sea assets. The Ukraine will have to surrender the Crimea in exchange for a Russian OK for it to join NATO and the EU.I suspect their pain threshold is not what it used to be. The Soviets cried uncle after losing 13K dead in Afghanistan. If the Ukrainians are prepared to take the pain of inflicting tens of thousands of dead on the Russians, odds are that the Russians will pull back. It depends on what the Ukrainians are prepared to sacrifice.
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posted on
02/28/2014 4:41:29 AM PST
by
Zhang Fei
(Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
To: Sacajaweau
They finally elected a president...and ONE FACTION says "we don't like him" because he went to Russia for help that the EU will never provide. They're nuts.They revolted because he was setting himself up to be president for life. This was Chile's Salvador Allende all over again, including the fact that both Allende and Yanukovich were acting at the behest of the Russians.
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posted on
02/28/2014 4:44:55 AM PST
by
Zhang Fei
(Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
- Tell Putin I can be more flexible after my reelection
.. B. Hussein Obama Junior
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posted on
02/28/2014 4:48:04 AM PST
by
devolve
(- and so I face the vinyl curtain - I will still misspell the simplest words - I did it my whey)
To: sunmars
EU will do nothing. They are too dependent upon Russian petroleum.
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posted on
02/28/2014 4:49:17 AM PST
by
reg45
(Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
To: Zhang Fei
The Crimea and Donets Basin are ethnically Russian, culturally Russian, and speak Russian. The Current Ukraine borders are an artificial creation of Stalin and Roosevelt. Splitting the country makes sense and would contribute to world peace. The Russians in the Southwest present a more difficult problem - that area either needs to be given to Russia, as well, or ethnically cleansed by the west.
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posted on
02/28/2014 4:51:33 AM PST
by
PAR35
To: Zhang Fei
This was Chile's Salvador Allende all over againAllende was a good guy who cleaned out the Communists. Next you're going to be saying that Franco was a Red.
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posted on
02/28/2014 4:54:06 AM PST
by
PAR35
To: Zhang Fei
I think this is what might be called a “soft invasion”.
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posted on
02/28/2014 4:54:31 AM PST
by
Obadiah
(I Like Ted.)
To: reg45
EU will do nothing. They are too dependent upon Russian petroleum.Oil is fungible. The EU can buy it from anyone, and the Russians need to sell it on the world markets to fund their war on Ukraine. Given that oil contracts are set up to optimize transportation and processing costs, the EU will pay a little more to buy from other suppliers and the Russians will get a little less selling to customers further away.
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posted on
02/28/2014 4:55:23 AM PST
by
Zhang Fei
(Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
To: PAR35
Allende was a good guy who cleaned out the Communists. Next you're going to be saying that Franco was a Red. You must be thinking of Pinochet, who cleaned out Allende and his Cuban advisors.
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posted on
02/28/2014 4:57:30 AM PST
by
Zhang Fei
(Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
To: Zhang Fei
My take is that if the Ukrainians are prepared to fight for their freedom and territorial integrity against their Russian overlords, we should be prepared to arm and feed them. I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but here's a question for you. Suppose the Indian nations in, say, Maine claim that they have been treated unfairly by the federal government. And they have ample evidence to prove it.
So by a large margin, the nations decide to break away. It's all about freedom, the freedom of the nations to decide their own future.
Would Russia be doing the right thing by supplying arms to the nations? And how would that affect the stability of the world?
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posted on
02/28/2014 4:58:13 AM PST
by
Leaning Right
(Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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