NEVER! stay out of there.
and while we are at it time to leave Hamid Karzai to his mess.
Good lord now we will hear from the conservative faction from the Harvard Endowment (looters of post-Soviet Russia). My personal wants are for mainly peaceful splitting of the country. (because I want to split from Blue Dystopia)
I suspect George Soros will be doing most of the deciding for him.
Mr. niteowl77
Strategically, Russia has to do whatever is necessary to maintain its Black Sea assets. The Ukraine will have to surrender the Crimea in exchange for a Russian OK for it to join NATO and the EU.
Nothing is gonna happen, Obama will do nothing, EU will do nothing because the simple answer is because Putin and the rest of the world is not going to risk war with Russia over this.
They finally elected a president...and ONE FACTION says "we don't like him" because he went to Russia for help that the EU will never provide.
They're nuts.
And Crimea should be returned to Russia.
There are agreements with Russia regarding their ports. The Ukrainians are revolting AGAIN because there are instigators all around....and that includes the USA.
There is no Freedom issue.
- Tell Putin I can be more flexible after my reelection….. B. Hussein Obama Junior
The Crimea and Donets Basin are ethnically Russian, culturally Russian, and speak Russian. The Current Ukraine borders are an artificial creation of Stalin and Roosevelt. Splitting the country makes sense and would contribute to world peace. The Russians in the Southwest present a more difficult problem - that area either needs to be given to Russia, as well, or ethnically cleansed by the west.
I think this is what might be called a “soft invasion”.
I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but here's a question for you. Suppose the Indian nations in, say, Maine claim that they have been treated unfairly by the federal government. And they have ample evidence to prove it.
So by a large margin, the nations decide to break away. It's all about freedom, the freedom of the nations to decide their own future.
Would Russia be doing the right thing by supplying arms to the nations? And how would that affect the stability of the world?
Obama and the MSM employees will hype this dispute with Russia to the level of a "Cuban missile" crisis -- or maybe a Berlin blockade.
Then remarks questioning Obama, et al. abilities and motives could result in a 2014 version to the Great Sedition Trial of 1944.. the purpose of the Great Sedition Trial of 1944 was to destroy Roosevelt's pre-war critics as attention turned to post-war matters particularly about relations with communists. IMO.
The Great Sedition Trial of 1944
FDR started with small fry and planned to move up the chain of opposition.
FDR failed. Obama might succeed, the Establishment today is arguably aging 1960s New Left Marxist-Alinsky radical, campus psycho spoiled brats and their ideological issue. The Establishment in FDR's days were Americans who eventually stopped:
". . . one of the blackest marks on the record of American jurisprudence. In the legal world, none can recall a case where so many Americans were brought to trial for political persecution and were so arrogantly denied the rights [guaranteed] an American citizen under the Constitution.”
Our military is beat up, used up, torn up, worn out. They simply do not need another war right now. These folks need a break.
Don’t worry! Barack Al-Obama will draw a red line in the sand to stop the Russkies!
Crimea was never Ukrainian in the first place.
88% of the population is Russian or Russophones, 98% speak Russian.
Guess where is Yalta situated?
In Crimea, for god’s sake!
Uhmmm...Do we really want to rub Russia’s feathers the wrong way at this time?
Cold war is over. We lost.
Russian troops are on the ground in the Ukraine. They took two airports and have been flying in transports of more troops. They are there and Putin has outmaneuvered the weak Obama and the EU. Even as Obama and Kerry continue to drone on about, “You better not do this,” Putin has already done it. So what do we do to keep all of Ukraine from falling in a a domino effect and eastern Europe being dominated by Russia?
1) Immediately have the US and the EU confer with Ukraine and tell them to NOT attack the Russian troops in the Crimea. Have them immediately mobilize their forces to their borders and take up positions and prepare and make any further Russian aggression have to come through their prepared positions. Right now the Crimea is lost, and attacking them there will only invite a much larger invasion and the potential loss of all of the Ukraine.
2) The US should immediately start flying C-17s into Kiev (the Ukraine Capitol) loaded with advisors, provisions, trainers, and a a security force for those people. We cannot get enough people there to stop Putin at this point, but we can show him that the price for taking the Ukraine has now gone up and would be too steep for him.
3) Have the NATO and Euopean countries (Germany, France, the UK, Italy, Spain) do the same thing (Number 2) at other critical points throughout the Ukraine.
4) Immediately move to make the rest of the Ukraine a part of NATO.
5) Hasten the Ukraine’s entry into the EU.
These measures will block Putin now, and hold him where he is with the gains he has made. It is not likely that the Ukraine will get the Crimea back, no more than Georgia will got its two lost provinces back. But we can limit the damage and build a strong coalition of the Baltic States, Poland, Hungary , Slovakia, the Czech Republic and western Europe to stop Russia where it is.
Otherwise we may see the whole of the Ukraine go over...and that would bne the first step in a process for Russia to once again establish a buffer between itself and western Europe.
Folks, when you elect a man who sat with the Russian Prime Minister Medvedev, just before the 2012 Elections, and told him...when he thought he was off microphone...that after the elections, he, Obama, “would be a lot more flexible,” with Putin...this is what you get.
We need to neuter this guy politically in 2014, and then run he and his ilk out of the White House for good in 2016. If we do not, things will get worse...much worse.
The hell with that. Crimeans WANT to be a part of Russia again. As for the rest of the Ukraine, we’re nuts if we get involved militarily, even if it’s only sending weapons. We have no business getting involved, even though military service dodging Hannity is pounding the war drums, as usual.