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Yes, We Should Discuss the Clintons’ Past
Townhall.com ^ | 2/24/2014 | Star Parker

Posted on 02/24/2014 5:36:12 AM PST by Servant of the Cross

When Kentucky Senator and Republican presidential aspirant Rand Paul re-surfaced the Monica Lewinsky scandal as relevant to Hillary Clinton’s presidential candidacy, fellow Republican Karl Rove immediately took him to task on national television.

“Frankly, Rand Paul spending a lot of time talking about the mistakes of Bill Clinton does not look like a big agenda for the future of the country,” said Rove.

Actually, it was Paul’s wife Kelley who first brought it up in a Vogue Magazine interview. Why should Republicans be accused of a “war on women” when Mrs. Clinton’s husband, former president Bill, chartered new territory in “predatory” sexual behavior, argued Mrs. Paul.

When Senator Paul was asked about this on Meet the Press, he made the same point.

According to the latest realclearpolitics.com average of national polls, Rand Paul is a serious contender for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016.

So what’s up with one of the Republican Party’s pundit-in-chiefs, Karl Rove, attacking one of his own party’s presidential contenders? Isn’t it the other party’s candidates you are supposed to attack?

This, of course, is about the ongoing battle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party, which is the preliminary to the main event – the battle for the heart and soul of the nation.

If understood correctly, Bill Clinton’s mistakes, and how his wife Hillary related to them, are indeed a “big agenda for the future of the country.” But it’s not where Karl Rove wants to go, nor does the wing of the party that wants to bury social conservatives. So he is already shooting intra-party friendly fire.

Some feel that collapse of “traditional values” is irrelevant to the nation’s future and getting back on track to fiscal soundness, growth, and prosperity.

But can anyone really believe that if a few hundred years ago almost half of American babies were born to unwed mothers, if getting an abortion was like taking an aspirin for a headache, if marriage and family was considered one of many possible lifestyles, if marriage itself was open to redefinition based on whim, we would be where we are today?

A free society, a society where politicians are not in your face and running your life, requires personal virtue and responsibility.

It is not accident that as values collapsed, as family disintegrated, the welfare state, big government, has grown and taken its place.

In a recent Gallup poll, 71 percent between 18 and 34 years old said having a child out of wedlock is morally acceptable, 49 percent said pornography is morally acceptable, and 48 percent said teenage sex is morally acceptable.

Can anyone really believe that a society with these kinds of values can and will have limited government?

We cannot underestimate the influence Bill Clinton, America’s first 60’s generation president, played in creating this kind of popular culture. Once it was okay that the President of the United States could betray his nation and his wife and fornicate with a young intern in the Oval Office, the door was open to almost anything.

We also cannot underestimate the impact on our popular culture and values that the wife of this man – a woman who now aspires to be our next president - was willing to tolerate this behavior and rationalize it away.

This is not the behavior of a strong, courageous woman but that of a weak, unprincipled woman.

Latest data from the Census Bureau shows that 77.5 percent of families in the top fifth of income earners are headed by married couples. Eight-three percent of families in the lowest fifth are singles or single parent households.

Marriage and traditional values are the bulwark of a free and prosperous society.

The Clintons helped break it all down. Karl Rove is dead wrong. This is a very “big agenda for the future of the country.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: clinton; sexoffender
Karl Rove is dead wrong.
1 posted on 02/24/2014 5:36:13 AM PST by Servant of the Cross
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To: Servant of the Cross

We need to push, every time Hitlery’s name is mentioned:

“WHAT DIFFERENCE, AT THIS POINT, DOES IT MAKE”

Rinse...Repeat!


2 posted on 02/24/2014 5:39:06 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Oh and Pillsbury d’oh Boy Rove has been wrong for a very long time about most things.


3 posted on 02/24/2014 5:40:38 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

Yes but I like to post articles of the past concerning all of their lawlessness. It is a reminder that in all areas the clinton’s are totally corrupt


4 posted on 02/24/2014 5:41:48 AM PST by South Dakota (shut up and build a bakken pipe line)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I wonder if Clinton will pick John McCain as her running mate.


5 posted on 02/24/2014 5:42:57 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: C. Edmund Wright
"A free society, a society where politicians are not in your face and running your life, requires personal virtue and responsibility."

Author Os Guinness has described this sustainability of freedom as the Golden Triangle of Freedom: Freedom_Virtue_Faith

“the cultivation and transmission of the conviction that freedom requires virtue, which requires faith, which requires freedom, which in turn requires virtue, which requires faith, which requires freedom and so on.”

'Karl Rove is dead wrong' ping.

6 posted on 02/24/2014 5:43:11 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Vaquero

We need to rerun Hillary’s advertisement “At 0300 who will answer the phone (paraphrasing) and then run her screeching “WHAT DIFFERENCE, AT THIS POINT, DOES IT MAKE?” Saturate it.


7 posted on 02/24/2014 5:43:23 AM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Just about everyone knows they are lying crooks, and Bill will bed down with virtually any woman with two legs and a heartbeat.(heartbeat is optional)

To focus on their vast criminal/immoral/unethical activity as a campaign strategy is a HUGE mistake. None of that brought them down back then, why would anyone believe the result will be anything but the same this time?

A new plan of attack to oppose them is needed, and necessary!!!


8 posted on 02/24/2014 5:44:04 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Servant of the Cross

Democrats gave front page coverage to Romney’s supposed “bullying” when he was a 15 yr. old high school student. CBS and Dan Rather went back 30 years to charge that George Bush got favored treatment in the Texas Air National Guard during the Viet Nam war.

But now, no one is supposed to bring up the corruption by Hillary as she covered up for her husband’s predatory sexual crimes. Nice try, Democrat media. There’s always that outrageous video of Hillary in her pink Betty Crocker outfit, sitting under the Lincoln portrait, lying her a** off as she covered up for Bill’s philandering. That will make a great campaign ad emphasizing her role in his war on women.


9 posted on 02/24/2014 5:45:55 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Safetgiver

Nice, a genuine 3:00 A.M. phone call she blew off.


10 posted on 02/24/2014 5:46:23 AM PST by jughandle
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To: sickoflibs

There you go, Clinton/McCain 2016, because; “at this point, what difference does it make?”

Nice bumper sticker you got yourself there.


11 posted on 02/24/2014 5:48:38 AM PST by jurroppi1
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To: jurroppi1

Once Clinton and Mccain make it through their own party primaries their real positions are not that different.


12 posted on 02/24/2014 5:53:42 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: Servant of the Cross

Great strategy to discuss the Clinton’s sex lives. Eventually it will force Hillary to come out as a lesbian. Despite all the desensitizing pro homosexual propaganda in the MSM, it is not clear if the American people will elect a lesbian as President. It is essential to derail Hillary’s Presidential prospects. If the Republicans don’t expose her, John Kerry will. That jet lagged narcissistic gasbag still desperately wants to be President.


13 posted on 02/24/2014 5:55:24 AM PST by allendale
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To: Servant of the Cross

Great strategy to discuss the Clinton’s sex lives. Eventually it will force Hillary to come out as a lesbian. Despite all the desensitizing pro homosexual propaganda in the MSM, it is not clear if the American people will elect a lesbian as President. It is essential to derail Hillary’s Presidential prospects. If the Republicans don’t expose her, John Kerry will. That jet lagged narcissistic gasbag still desperately wants to be President.


14 posted on 02/24/2014 5:55:25 AM PST by allendale
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To: Servant of the Cross

There’s a special place in Hell reserved for the Clintons.

Bill Clinton did unmeasurable damage to this country and his wife enabled him.

Slime bags.


15 posted on 02/24/2014 6:35:56 AM PST by upchuck (South Carolina Representative Trey Gowdy for Speaker of the House!!!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Do we go back far enough? What about Bills draft dodging? Hills cattle futures deal? The whole Whitewater affair? Ther are so many unansweredd questions, there is hardly time for new ones. But they keep on coming.


16 posted on 02/24/2014 7:04:58 AM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Servant of the Cross
For those who may have forgotten what kind of a President Bill Clinton was:

1) Clinton’s own words show his often expressed innate hostility to, and utter contempt for, the core principles of the American founding:

``If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government’s ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.’’ -- President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993

``The purpose of government is to reign in the rights of the people’’ –- Bill Clinton during an interview on MTV in 1993

``We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans…that we forget about reality.’’ -- President Bill Clinton, quoted in USA Today, March 11, 1993, Page 2A, ``NRA change: `Omnipotent to powerful’’’ by Debbie Howlett

“When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly… that they would work for the common good, as well as for the individual welfare… However, now there’s a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there’s too much freedom. When personal freedom’s being abused, you have to move to limit it.” – Bill Clinton, April 19, 1995

2) Clinton inevitably pursued his own political advantage at the expense of American interests and national security. Here is just one of many possible examples:

It is well documented that Clinton and the Democrats took illegal campaign money from groups and individuals tied directly to the Chinese People’s Republican Army. It is therefore not surprising that In January 1998 Clinton went against the advice of then-Secretary of State Warren Christopher and Pentagon experts by lifting long-standing restrictions against the export of American satellites to China for launch on Chinese rockets. Not only did he move control over such decisions from the more security-focused State Department to the Commerce Department, but he intervened in a Justice Department investigation of Loral Space & Communications, retroactively enabling Loral to sell critical missile technology to the Chinese. Interestingly enough, Clinton’s decision was made at the request of Loral CEO Bernard Schwartz, whose earlier $1.3 million campaign donation made him the single biggest contributor to the Democratic election effort.

The result, as stated eloquently by syndicated columnist Linda Bowles, was that “the Democrats got money from satellite companies and from Chinese communists; China got supercomputors, advanced production equipment and missile technology; Loral got its satellites launched at bargain basement prices . . . and the transfer of sensitive missile technology gave China [for the first time] the capability of depositing bombs on American cities.” Incidentally, Loral ultimately failed to benefit from this permanent injury to America’s security interests: in July 2003, the company filed for bankruptcy protection, and in order to raise cash was forced to sell its most profitable business – a fleet of communications satellites orbiting over North America.

3) On two occasions, Clinton used military action for the specific purpose of distracting the American public from the fallout of the Lewinsky affair:

• On August 20, three days after Clinton finally admitted publicly to the Lewinsky affair, the news media was poised to focus on that day’s grand jury testimony by Monica Lewinsky. That same morning, Clinton personally went on national television to gravely announce his bombing of a Sudanese “chemical weapons factory,” and a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan. It was the first time most Americans ever heard the name of Osama bin Laden. The factory bombing in Sudan killed an innocent night watchman, but accomplished little else. It later was proven that the plant was making badly needed pharmaceuticals for people in that poverty-stricken part of the world, but no chemical weapons.

Several months later, the U.S. Center for Nonproliferation Studies, part of the Monterey Institute of International Studies, stated: "...the evidence indicates that the facility had no role whatsoever in chemical weapons development." Kroll Associates, one of the world's most reputable investigative firms, also confirmed that there was no link in any way between the plant and any terrorist organization. As for the Afghanistan bombing, it failed to do any damage at all to bin Laden or his organization. Clinton’s action was accurately characterized by George W. Bush when he said right after 9-11: "When I take action, I’m not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt.

Clinton’s pointless and murderous military actions did not make Americans safer that day, although they did destroy an innocent life, and for all the good they did certainly could have been delayed in any case. But they did succeed in diverting media attention from Lewinsky’s grand jury testimony for a 24-hour news cycle, which was the main point. So I guess, they weren’t a total loss.

•On December 16, 1998, on the eve of the scheduled House vote on his impeachment, Bill Clinton launched a surprise bombing attack on Baghdad. As justification for this exploit, he cited the urgent threat that Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction posed to America, and the need for immediate action. Almost immediately, the House Democrats held a caucus and emerged calling for a delay in the impeachment proceedings. House minority leader Dick Gephardt made a statement: "We obviously should pass a resolution by saying that we stand behind the troops. I would hope that we do not take up impeachment until the hostilities have completely ended."

Conveniently, a delay so near the end of the House term would have caused the vote to be taken up in the next session – when the newly elected House membership would be seated with more Democratic representation, thereby improving Clinton’s chances of dodging impeachment.

The Republicans did, in fact, agree to delay the hearings, but only for a day or two. Amazingly, Clinton ended the bombing raid after only 70 hours -- once it became clear that in spite of the brief delay, the vote would still be held in the current session.

Once the bombing stopped, Clinton touted the effectiveness and importance of the mission. As reported by ABC News : “We have inflicted significant damage on Saddam's weapons of mass destruction programs, on the command structures that direct and protect that capability, and on his military and security infrastructure,” he said. Defense secretary William Cohen echoed the point: “We estimate that Saddam's missile program has been set back by at least a year.”

Whether or not one buys Clinton’s assessment of that mission, it is difficult to believe that its timing was so critical that it required commencement virtually at the moment the House was scheduled to vote on the impeachment. I think the most reasonable conclusion is that Clinton cynically deployed US military assets and placed military personnel in harm’s way for purely political reasons.

4) Clinton’s reckless sexual behavior was a threat to American national security:

Clinton and his supporters have been very effective in persuading large numbers of Americans that the Lewinsky scandal was “only about sex.” But I see a bigger issue here, because Clinton is on record as saying that he would have done anything to keep knowledge of the Lewinsky affair from becoming public.

To me, that statement raises a very serious question: What if, instead of sending her recorded Lewinsky conversations to Ken Starr, Linda Tripp had instead secretly offered them for sale, say, to the Chinese government? Or to the Russians? Or even to agents of Saddam?

What kind of blackmail leverage would those tapes have provided to a foreign government in dealing with America on sensitive trade, security or military issues? One of the few things Clinton ever said that I believe is that he would have done anything to keep the Lewinsky affair secret. Given his demonstrated track record of selling out American interests for personal or political gain (and there are more examples that I could have cited here), how far would he have gone in compromising America’s real interests in order to protect his own neck when threatened with blackmail?

Pretty far, I believe. Equally distressing is the prospect Clinton might, in fact, have succumbed to foreign black mail on other occasions in order to hide different sexual episodes that ultimately did not become public. There is no way to know, of course, but I prefer presidents for whom such a scenario is not a plausible possibility.

And don’t even get me started on the war crime in Kosovo.

WAR IN KOSOVO

During Bill Clinton’s 1999 NATO-led war in Kosovo – which according to some estimates cost as much as $75 billion – we bombed Belgrade for 78 days, killed almost 3,000 civilians, and shredded the civilian infrastructure (including every bridge across the Danube.)

We devastated the environment, bombed the Chinese embassy, came very close to engaging in armed combat against Russian forces, and in general, pursued a horrific and inhumane strategy to rain misery on the civilian population of Belgrade in order to pressure Milosevic into surrendering.

Why did we do all that? The US did not even have an arguable interest in the Balkans, and no one ever tried to claim that Serbia represented any kind of threat to our nation or our interests.

But for months the Clinton administration had told us that Milosevic was waging a vicious genocide against Albanian Muslims, and needed to be stopped. The New York Times called it a “humanitarian war.” In March 1999 – the same month that the bombing started – Clinton’s State Department publicly suggested that as many as 500,000 Albanian Kosovars had been murdered by Milosevic’s regime. In May of that year, as the bombing campaign was drawing to a close, Secretary of Defense William Cohen lowered that estimate 100,000.

Five years after the bombing, after all the forensic investigations had been completed, the prosecutors at Milosevic’s “War Crimes” trial in the Hague were barely been able to document a questionable figure of perhaps 5,000 “bodies and body parts.” During the war, the American people were told that Kosovo was full of mass graves filled with the bodies of murdered Albanian Muslims. But none were ever found.

BILL CLINTON ECONOMIC PERFORMANCE

During the election cycle of 1992, George H.W. Bush lost his job after Bill Clinton hammered him relentlessly for having caused the “worst economy of the last 50 years.”

In fact, as CNN’s Brooke Jackson has reported: “Three days before Christmas 1992, the National Bureau of Economic Research finally issued its official proclamation that the recession had ended 21 months earlier. What became the longest boom in U.S. history actually began nearly two years before Clinton took office.” See (See http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/31/jackson.recession.primer.otsc/).

By the same token, Clinton is generally perceived as having a stellar economic record during his own presidency, in spite of the fact that the economy was already starting to decline during the last year of his term after the stock market crashed in March 2000.

According to a report by MSNBC: “The longest economic expansion in U.S. history faltered so much in the summer of 2000 that business output actually contracted for one quarter, the government said Wednesday in releasing a comprehensive revision of the gross domestic product. Based on new data, the Commerce Department said that the GDP — the country’s total output of goods and services — shrank by 0.5 percent at an annual rate in the July-September quarter of 2000.” See: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3676690/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/t/gdp-figures-revised-downward/.

17 posted on 02/24/2014 7:33:33 AM PST by Maceman
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To: sickoflibs

Right, I was agreeing with you entirely. I just thought that up to that point of the thread my comment was apropos (given the previous posts from others).


18 posted on 02/24/2014 9:29:33 AM PST by jurroppi1
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