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Defense Sec Proposed Cutting Army
Fox News.com ^ | Feb 24, 2014 | Staff Reports

Posted on 02/24/2014 5:11:07 AM PST by RetiredArmy

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel will reportedly propose a Pentagon budget that will shrink the U.S. Army to its smallest number since 1940 and eliminate an entire class of Air Force attack jets.

The New York Times reported late Sunday that Hagel's proposal, which will be released to lawmakers and the public on Monday, will call for a reduction in size of the military that will leave it capable of waging war, but unable to carry out protracted occupations of foreign territory, as in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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To: Hulka

“This 9% budget shortfall is significant.”

Requested. Not required. Do you always give someone everything they request? Didn’t think so.


101 posted on 02/24/2014 4:03:42 PM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: Hulka

“Research and Development (R&D) ensures the US possesses a qualitative edge in technology”

Yes, it does, and the budget they are to be given does not preclude R&D. It is still expected.

Our budget will never be cut with liberals always crying out for more: More education dollars, more defense dollars, more everything dollars.


102 posted on 02/24/2014 4:05:08 PM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: randomhero97

As it relates to the USA being a global bully? I don’t believe we are. Do you?


103 posted on 02/24/2014 4:06:05 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Hulka

That would actually be a good idea, which means it will never happen.


104 posted on 02/24/2014 4:42:20 PM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: The_Victor

Well, it will just be 40 deployments per 4 years...yeesh.


105 posted on 02/24/2014 5:18:39 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: RetiredArmy
We will soon need the Boy Scouts to defend the nation ....

They'll be all tied up .... getting backstrapped by Obama's Man's Country pals.

106 posted on 02/24/2014 6:13:24 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: CodeToad
Where did you get that from? What is the converse, that we have our military all over the world? That we have global dominance and bully every other nation to allow in our military?

That's the Mahan Doctrine, formulated by Admiral Alfred Thayer Mahan back in McKinley's and Roosevelt's administrations.

McKinley was the last of a long line of U.S. presidents who'd served in uniform in the Civil War, almost all of whom, McKinley included, had seen the devastation worked on the South by having a major war fought on its territory.

The Mahan Doctrine states simply that the United States will endeavor to fight its wars offshore or overseas, so that no major campaign ever again will be fought on U.S. soil.

The Marine Corps, if need be reinforced by the Army, is the mailed fist that rides the long arm of the Fleet, to make the safety of the People of the United States a law unto our enemies. Got it?

107 posted on 02/24/2014 6:19:18 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: RetiredArmy

These people make me want to vomit! Notice the obligatory photo op Hagel got with the - of course- female officer? They are destroying us every damned day! Horrifying what is going on. This presidency is just a nightmare. I really despise most Americans today.


108 posted on 02/24/2014 7:14:36 PM PST by Phillyred
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To: RetiredArmy

Gotta admit that the larger the Army is the more tempting it is to get into protracted occupations. It’s obvious we would have had to occupy Iraq forever. Same goes for Afghanistan.


109 posted on 02/24/2014 11:10:53 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: CodeToad
Your comments about that are a non sequitur. Reducing our military to that needed to protect our country

IMHO you appear short sided in your thinking. Protecting our country is one thing, our interests are another, as are our allies.

One example of protecting interests would be the US Navy which keeps shipping lanes open around the world.

China & Iran are two clear & present dangers. Speaking softly is fine as long as there's a big stick to back it up.

My idea of saving money would entail abolishing the TSA.

110 posted on 02/25/2014 1:03:19 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: CodeToad
The rest of us would prefer to have an adequate military for national defense but then get on with our civilian lives of building a nation and not just living to build a military.

You sure quack like a collectivist. Us & we? You also channel Alinsky in you personal attacks on those who disagree with your 'collective' opinion.

PARANOIA is the TSA groping US Citizens. Fascism is the GOV that promotes such groping. Our military is NOT fascist.

111 posted on 02/25/2014 1:08:53 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: CodeToad
When we rearmed prior to entering WWII, Great Britain held on for dear life. There is no longer any other Democratic power that could hold out or help out while we decided we needed to arm ourselves after an attack. Also, prior to WWII we didn't have to worry about Japanese Nuclear Subs off the coast or ICBM’s launched from Germany.

Do you think if the Chinese launched an attack they would allow us to build armaments and create weapons factories while at war?

112 posted on 02/25/2014 2:53:06 AM PST by MacMattico
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To: DBeers

How is cutting back the military stating that we would no longer keep shipping lanes open? Again, Chicken Little’s claiming any cuts to the military would have such effects.


113 posted on 02/25/2014 6:50:03 AM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: DBeers

“Our military is NOT fascist. “

No one claimed our military was fascist. Reading comprehension is obviously a weak point with people that claim any cuts to the military means the sky will fall. Go back and read how the word ‘fascist’ was used.


114 posted on 02/25/2014 6:51:07 AM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: MacMattico

Who said cuts in the military means we can no longer defend against nuclear subs or ICBM? Again, more Chicken Little “The sky is falling!” when it comes to defense cuts.

Liberals don’t want their pet spending cut and neither do you, so how are you two any different when it comes to spending?


115 posted on 02/25/2014 6:53:12 AM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: DBeers

“PARANOIA is the TSA groping US Citizens. Fascism is the GOV that promotes such groping. Our military is NOT fascist. “

P.S. Any government willing to create the TSA is willing to use that standing army against you in other ways.


116 posted on 02/25/2014 6:53:53 AM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: lentulusgracchus

” the United States will endeavor to fight its wars offshore or overseas, so that no major campaign ever again will be fought on U.S. soil.”

You’re the one that doesn’t get it. No base or outpost can survive the onslaught of such forces as we faced with the Soviet Union. None. They were sacrificial. So, your viewpoint on this is moot.

Second, what happens when all your troops are overseas and then slaughtered leaving none at home? Such Mahan Doctrines are great when you wrote such a thing during a time when mass transit using aircraft wasn’t invented yet, not to mention nuclear weapons that can be delivered in mere minutes.

This isn’t 1900 anymore.


117 posted on 02/25/2014 6:57:35 AM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: Tennessee Nana
We need land forces? Ain't that what the army is? Ain't that their real job? Boots on the ground, grunts, soldiers? What kind of statement is he making here? Cutting ground forces IS cutting the Army. Supported by armor, air and big guns. If we cut this military back to pre-WWII, China and Russia will throw celebration parades and march right across and attack us. We would have no military options against either and they over power us. The slug in the White House has already cut the nukes.

I guess this is what Obama was meaning when he told the Russian guy to wait till after the election and he had more flexibility. Yup, flexibility to cut the forced down to nothing to allow us to get over run. He will move to Iran or some muzzie nation because they will take him in.

118 posted on 02/25/2014 7:44:13 AM PST by RetiredArmy (God's judgment on America is here for us to see. If America does not wake up, it is going to suffer)
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To: CodeToad
Our second amendment plus the fact that the constitution calls for a Navy says no one is going to attack us.





Yup....ummmmm what world are you living in? This isn't 1939 or 1783 anymore....
119 posted on 02/25/2014 8:52:47 AM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: CodeToad

Toad -— would rather be perceived as paraoid than GROSSLY IGNORANT!

You are gravely short sighted. Go back and read the findings from the 9-11 commission on military readiness. Go read about the fantastic work our military has performed worldwide in humanitarian efforts. But never let your guard down before evil terrorists. Your posts disclose how uninformed you are about what our military has been doing for 60 years in foreign countries. Do you really think they are marching around with their machine guns? Dufus!
Have you ever heard of the National Guard? well, go read up and realize everything you have been blabbing about is meaningless.


120 posted on 02/25/2014 11:02:53 AM PST by patriotsoul
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