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1 posted on 02/20/2014 2:43:56 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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The Republicans should phrase this as ‘protecting the rights of devout Muslims’ and then sit back and watch as liberal heads explode.


2 posted on 02/20/2014 2:48:39 PM PST by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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people have the ability to discriminate, the govern,ent is the one forbidden to.

freedom of association. freedom to enter into a contract voluntarily. freedom to refuse service for not agreeing to terms and conditions.

swanky restaurants refuse service to people who don’t meet their dress codes. most businesses require shoes and shirts or no service and leave.

conversely it’d be like the store demanding every person who walks in, must then buy something or use one of their services. just for walking in. they can’t leave the store without frst buying a good or service. this is exactly what is going on, on the other side of the counter.


3 posted on 02/20/2014 2:51:25 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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I love my adopted state!


4 posted on 02/20/2014 3:04:10 PM PST by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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It is a sad day now that we have to legislate that sexual and political harassment by gays is a valid complaint.


5 posted on 02/20/2014 3:15:35 PM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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It is a sad day now that we have to legislate that sexual and political harassment by gays is a valid complaint... welcome to Federal encroachment on the State.

Now they have a provocation.


6 posted on 02/20/2014 3:16:22 PM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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Sen. Robert Meza, D-Phoenix, said the measure would allow a hotel operator who believes Mormonism is a cult to refuse to provide rooms to a family who walked in wearing Brigham Young T-shirts, indicating their religion.

If the law is worded properly, it would not do this. We don't want laws that allow us to discriminate against other people for what they ARE. We want laws that allow us to NOT participate in sinful actions of other people.

So, for example, the law may allow a hotel operator who believes in the 10 commandments to refuse to rent a room with a single bed to a non-married couple, based on the presumption that the non-married couple wants the room to have sex.

But the gay marriage thing is the clearest and easiest of all to understand -- we KNOW they are getting married, because that is the point, so if a person has a religious objection to gay marriage, they should not be forced to provide services that support a wedding they do not agree with.

I would note that if you actually run a hotel, you probably would not be allowed to discriminate against people who are not married, or discriminate against gay couples, because there are generally laws specifically about that.

I would be happy to photograph a gay person, even if they were getting married, so long as they were not having a gay marriage. So it would not be discrimination because they were gay (what they are), it would be about what they were DOING.

7 posted on 02/20/2014 3:39:19 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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When the musical performers cancelled their acts and refused to perform for the boy scouts because of what they were — why did all these liberals not scream about how those performers were discriminating? Because that is what America is about — the right of people to offer their services as they see fit, to associate with whom they wish to associate.


8 posted on 02/20/2014 3:41:16 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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Why do I have to site my religion, and why do I need a law. A better approach would be to repeal the “civil rights” laws that created this slippery slope which has led to persecution of Christians.


9 posted on 02/20/2014 3:42:31 PM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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We’re going about this the wrong way. We need to get those nutjobs from Westboro Baptist Church to find a gay owned bakery and ask them for a cake celebrating something really offensive to gays. Then sit back and watch the fun!


10 posted on 02/20/2014 3:47:50 PM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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Discrimination is human nature. We’re always judging. It’s also Constitutional. We have the right to free association. Why wouldn’t that extend to your business? At the time of the Founding there were still religious colonies. You have freedom of thought.

We need to end the “discrimination is bad” meme. Only dummies don’t discriminate.


12 posted on 02/21/2014 3:21:46 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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The issue is behavior, not orientation. We should be allowed to discriminate against sexual behavior, which could include, e.g., a straight guy who engages in homosexual sodomy:

“...[W]e discriminate, both in public and private, against sexually immoral behavior all the time.

We discriminate against people who engage in prostitution. (You can ask the Secret Service about that.) Private companies discriminate against those whose sexual conduct make them poor representatives of company values. (You can ask Tiger Woods all about that, too.) Private companies discriminate against executives who sexually harass employees. (You can ask Mark Hurd, former CEO of Hewlett-Packard, all about that.)

We discriminate against adults, even priests, who have sex with children. We discriminate against teachers who have affairs with students. We discriminate against teachers who moonlight in the porn industry. We discriminate against students who engage in sexting. We discriminate against rapists. We discriminate against those who expose sexual partners unknowingly to the AIDS virus. We discriminate against those adults who commit statutory rape against minors. We discriminate against homosexuals and prostitutes by refusing to allow them to give blood.

The point is this: we discriminate against sexually immoral and inappropriate behavior all the time, and homosexual behavior is sexually immoral and inappropriate.”

From http://www.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147522138


14 posted on 02/21/2014 7:37:32 AM PST by MikeyB806
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15 posted on 02/21/2014 11:57:24 AM PST by CedarDave (Obama - "That's the good thing as a President, I can do whatever I want" (02/10/14 declaration))
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WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE!

I still remember these signs in stores years ago.


17 posted on 02/21/2014 5:49:12 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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It’s sitting on Brewer’s desk. She’s in DeeCee right now, and says she’ll decide by next Friday, which is the deadline. Apparently she only just now heard about the bill, on the internet. Sort of like how Obastard is perpetually surprised by stories in the papers.

I’m betting she’ll Veto it. I don’t think there are enough votes to override.


18 posted on 02/21/2014 5:54:31 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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