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I've heard more than a few member on this site state that we should sit back and let states like California or even the entire country collapse to "teach Liberals a lesson".

I submit to you that Liberals are incapable of turning away from their big fat bloated government policies and big spending monetary malfeasance. All you have to do is look at places like Detroit here in America or even to other nations like Hungary or Argentina, where Liberal Progressive policies have decimated the economies and destroyed entire societies. The people that live in the places where the collapses have occurred turned right back to the same corrupt, dishonest, big spending statist and Progressive Liberals even after they've lost everything.

I think the best example of this is Argentina!!

1 posted on 02/16/2014 12:15:52 PM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: Carbonsteel

“Let it collapse” may make the Keyboard Kommandos here feel good, but it does nothing to help either that country or the US in the long run. Germany collapsed, and that’s how Hitler took over.


2 posted on 02/16/2014 12:29:23 PM PST by livius
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I made the big mistake on my most recent visit of heading back to the airport with >700 pesos in my pocket. Couldn’t exchange them.. so, I’m STUCK with them till my next visit.... I hope they still have SOME value by then.


3 posted on 02/16/2014 12:32:30 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!)
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Liberals are inherently incapable of ever “learning a lesson”. The only skills they ever hone to a very high level of sharpness is shifting the blame elsewhere, no matter how implausible that rationale may be.

That the “protected classes” they represent manage to do well in the zero-sum game they depict the world as being, is the whole reason for their satisfaction with their agenda. The “bad people”, i.e., the producers, are severely chastised for trying to be “too stuck-up” for everybody else, and getting rich is an “unfair advantage”.

Argentina, at one time, had a great potential for being a leading world power, and in fact, their per-capita national product probably was as great or greater than that of the United States of America at the time, probably about 1906 or so. But Progressivism is a disease that knows no national boundaries, and its fever shook Argentina to its very foundations, and it its worst, led to Eva Peron and total decimation of whatever stores of national treasure they ever possessed.

The parallels of the collapse of Argentina to the collapse of California are too eerie to ignore or dismiss.


5 posted on 02/16/2014 12:39:13 PM PST by alloysteel (Obamacare - Death and Taxes now available online. One-stop shopping at its best!)
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Just like the citizens of Philly, Newark, Chicago, Camden, Cleveland, Detroit, Buffalo, etc.

No matter how bad and corrupt the people in power are (democrats)...

No how much they have ruined and bankrupted the great cities of America (democrats)...

The keep get re-elected. In fact, they rarely (if ever) lose elections. The citizens keeping wanting more of failure and destitution.

So f*ck them.


6 posted on 02/16/2014 12:41:02 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Carbonsteel
No collapse is forever


7 posted on 02/16/2014 12:42:53 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. E)
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To: Carbonsteel

You are most likely right. A rare example to the contrary might be that of British Tories writing off the American colonies in the 1780s, no doubt some thinking that the colonists ought to be left to their own devices, to teach them a lesson. That turned out well, then. The outcome would be very, very different today, however, if that viewpoint prevailed and large parts of America were surrendered to the mind-disease of progressivism. The inheritors would not have the same constructive intentions as our own Founders, but would bring to any new political project the mentality of the rapist and the looter, for decades to come.


10 posted on 02/16/2014 12:48:35 PM PST by TimSkalaBim
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To: Carbonsteel

Lot’s of yackety-yack in the article. Almost nothing about about utterly corrupt, socialistic governments and fatally destructive monetary policy. I bet if you overlaid a chart of relative inflation of the peso over the GDP growth chart, there’d be a perfect correlation. Really, no other explanations besides the two I mention are necessary. The rest is all just academic BS.


11 posted on 02/16/2014 12:57:33 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Carbonsteel

What is mentioned in the first few words of this article? The PESO!

Allow socialist/progressive politicians to debauch a currency for political ends, and this will always be the result.

In the USA, we have the Federal Reserve, which is the foundation of progressive government in the USA. Although it may take longer, we are on the same path as Argentina. Study Argentina’s society, economy and politics and you will see many similarities with the USA.


19 posted on 02/16/2014 2:28:40 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Carbonsteel; livius
Let it collapse? How can anyone stop it?

Glancing through recent posts I find a story of a Seattle Council member Kshama Sawant who is "...throwing down the gauntlet." for a $15 an hour minimum wage. These elected officials are beyond irresponsible. What combination of stupidity, ideology, idiocy and ignorance produces these people? And their constituents support them and elect them and re-elect them. How do you propose to turn this around?

We can all name dozens of US cities that have lost population in the last thirty years. Detroit is the most glaring example and, for me, the closest. When I was growing up Detroit really was the shining city on a hill. The decline started in the 1960's under various liberal/progressive mayors. The riots of 1967 and subsequent democrat administrations looted the city treasury and drove it to third world status. Anybody who could, black and white, voted with their feet and fled the city limits.

Now, that city on the hill has a school system that produces "graduates" who are not ready for higher education or the labor force. Half of them can't even read. That's okay, though, because most of their fellow citizens are also functionally illiterate. They are, however, able to present little plastic government issued and government funded cards to obtain their daily bread. That is about the extent of their abilities.

Welcome to 21st century urban America. The only fix for this problem is a drastic reset. That's a polite way of saying that, in terms of decline, you haven't seen anything yet.

23 posted on 02/16/2014 2:47:22 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Carbonsteel

Progressive Liberal governments feed their populations on the 7 deadly sins mainly through the “something for nothing/it’s free: ideology. The sheeple buy into the progrom even when the temple is falling on their heads.


28 posted on 02/16/2014 3:35:41 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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now you know why Obama and Kirchner were laughing it up, taking selfies and playing footsies at Mandela’s funeral. Birds of a feather....America’s future if this a-hole and his corrupt cronies don’t get booted out soon.


29 posted on 02/16/2014 4:03:46 PM PST by albertabound
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I don't know if the author realized it or not but so much of what he says that went wrong with Argentina applies to the USA today.

To start with "They found that whereas literacy rates stood at 95% in Chicago in 1895". Brings up the question of what is the real literacy rate in todays Chicago? Not some governmental manipulation but the truth. As you go through the article point after point just jumps out.

" Argentina had among the highest rates of primary-school enrolment in the world and among the lowest rates of secondary-school attendance. Primary school was important to create a sense of citizenship, says Axel Rivas of CIPPEC, a think-tank."

" But only the elite needed to be well educated."

"Without a good education system, Argentina struggled to create competitive industries."

"Technological innovation needs not only educated people but access to money."

The comparisons are some what disturbing, they are close but not exact. With the correct leadership perhaps we as a nation can avoid being Argentinized. Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-tragedy-of-argentina-a-century-of-decline-2014-2#ixzz2tXBxwcqI

30 posted on 02/16/2014 4:31:47 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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Well said, you must be enlightened to have a truly capitalistic republic. And, saidly most are too uneducated to know that.
36 posted on 02/18/2014 6:52:27 AM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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