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Posted on 02/15/2014 6:13:18 AM PST by KeyLargo
Union Suffers Big Loss at Tennessee VW Plant Volkswagen workers rejected the UAW by a vote of 712 to 626.
Neal E. Boudette
Updated Feb. 14, 2014 11:44 p.m. ET
The United Auto Workers union suffered a crushing defeat Friday, falling short in an election in which it seemed to have a clear path to organizing workers at Volkswagen AG VOW3.XE +1.10% 's plant in Chattanooga, Tenn.
The setback is a bitter defeat because the union had the cooperation of Volkswagen management and the aid of Germany's powerful IG Metall union, yet it failed to win a majority among the plants 1,550 hourly workers.
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The Union lost, Awwhh, ..... 8^)
Gee, no chance for coke cans in the doors of VW.
President Obie said yesterday republicans were more interested in the German shareholders than the American workers. Last night the American workers said they were more interested in their own wallets than the wallets of the union bosses. FWIW; Chattanooga historically is very liberal friendly.
How to Identify Legal Plunder
But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.
Then abolish this law without delay, for it is not only an evil itself, but also it is a fertile source for further evils because it invites reprisals. If such a law which may be an isolated case is not abolished immediately, it will spread, multiply, and develop into a system.
The person who profits from this law will complain bitterly, defending his acquired rights. He will claim that the state is obligated to protect and encourage his particular industry; that this procedure enriches the state because the protected industry is thus able to spend more and to pay higher wages to the poor workingmen.
Do not listen to this sophistry by vested interests. The acceptance of these arguments will build legal plunder into a whole system. In fact, this has already occurred. The present-day delusion is an attempt to enrich everyone at the expense of everyone else; to make plunder universal under the pretense of organizing it.
Legal Plunder Has Many Names
Now, legal plunder can be committed in an infinite number of ways. Thus we have an infinite number of plans for organizing it: tariffs, protection, benefits, subsidies, encouragements, progressive taxation, public schools, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed profits, minimum wages, a right to relief, a right to the tools of labor, free credit, and so on, and so on. All these plans as a whole with their common aim of legal plunder constitute socialism.
Thank you to the guys and gals in Tennessee. This is going to hurt the ‘RATS’ campaign “war chest.” Great job!!!
We don’t like unions much down here.
They may try to avoid discussing it. That would be funny too but not quite as good.
This is bigger than it seems. I believe this was the opening salvo in the “workers of the world unite” bid to form a giant, worldwide behemoth. This is a major setback for the unions.
The union’s response that “outside influence’s” contributed to the out come, made me want to roll on the floor in fits of laughter.
Obama weighs in on contentious union vote at Volkswagen plant
ReutersReuters 15 hours ago
Obama's interjection in the war of words on Friday, albeit behind closed doors, underscored how much is stake in the three-day vote by VW's 1,550 hourly workers. The vote is due to end at 8:30 p.m. ET and the results could be announced soon after that.
A loss could accelerate the decline in membership, now at just under 400,000 from a peak of 1.5 million. It also would reinforce the widely held notion that the UAW cannot make significant inroads in a region that historically has been steadfastly anti-union. Virtually every state in the U.S. South has passed right-to-work legislation that gives workers the choice of joining a union and paying union dues.
Here in the south the word union still has a bitter taste to it.
Obama speaks at United Auto Workers conference
“You are showing us what is possible in America.”
Unions are an arm of the DIMs and major extortionists. As to the results of the VW vote: Bwaaaaaahahahahahahaha.
Unions Slump on Bad Obama Bet
John Ransom | Feb 18, 2013
Alarm bells are going off for labor unions around the country.
Four years after electing the most pro-labor president of the last half-decade, it looks like the scheme has backfired.
In 2008 and 2012 labor unions used everything, including a little body English, ballot stuffing and voter intimidation to elect a president who would bring the prestige of presidential backing to recruitment efforts for labor unions.
Since then not only have labor unions taken historic defeats in former union strongholds, like Wisconsin and Michigan, labor union membership is declining at a rate that will make them a footnote in the annals of history if the steady decline in membership keeps up at the current pace.
The U.S. Department of Labors Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) released statistics Jan. 23 that confirm an alarming drop in unionization, writes Denver Labor attorney Bill Berger in the Denver Business Journal, especially in private (nongovernmental) workplaces . BLS statistics show unions lost 400,000 members in America last year. In 2011, 11.8 percent of all workers were union. That dropped to 11.3 percent in 2012.
Were getting destroyed, said MNBCs hilariously-named business expert and Democrat, pro-union candidate Krystal Ball about labor unions.
And yes, I understand Krystal Ball is her real name, but there are cool real names- like Johnny Ransom- and ones that make you sound like a stripper, like, um Krystal Ball.
If you can manage to watch past her eyebrows moving up and down to highlight her sincerity and the drippy, syrupy, plastic rhetoric well, anyway, you can see the video below.
"Unfortunately, politically motivated third parties threatened the economic future of this facility and the opportunity for workers to create a successful operating model that that would grow jobs in Tennessee,"
He blames outside influences on their loss. Then we read a couple paragraphs down:
The Chattanooga workers had been courted steadily for nearly two years by both the UAW and the IG Metall union...
Seems to me the United Awful Workers and IG Metall engaged in the same kind of politically motivated influence with their "courting".
I guess it's OK for them to engage in attempts at influencing the workers to vote for their miserable union, but it's not OK for anyone to attempt to influence the workers to vote against it. It gives me a headache just trying to follow these creatures logic.
That was exactly what I thought too. This whole “council” thing. It’s already here. DTE Energy (Detroit Edison) has phased it in.
RAT heads are exploding this very minute... check it out
Good explanation here about VW and it’s socialist “Works Councils”.
Posted by Editor on November 20, 2013 at 5:20 pm
A Lesson In U.S. Labor Law & How The UAW Is Lying Its Way Into The South With VWs Help
The UAW doesnt want U.S. workers to know they dont need the UAW in order to have representation on VWs Works Councilthey can do it themselves.
Notwithstanding the fact that the next boss of Germanys largest union, IG Metall, just seemingly compared the U.S. South to North Korea, and after chasing companies out of the North and Midwest, unions have long had their sights set on getting their grip on the Southern Statesand the Volkswagen plant in Chattanooga, Tennessee may be where they hope the fall of the South begins.
The United Auto Workers, Volkswagen and its union, IGMetall, are misleading the VW employees in Tennessee about U.S. labor law and its about time the employees there learned the truth:
Under U.S. labor law, workers have the right to represent themselvesindividually or collectivelywithout having a union like the UAW.
Unions Misrepresentation About Representation
Over the last several months, misinformation has been put out in the press by a lot of people about U.S. labor law.
The common belief, as stated by (primarily) union advocates and echoed by Volkswagen is that the only way Volkswagens employees in Chattanooga can have representation on its Works Council is through a trade union.
It was stated again on Tuesday in the USAToday:
Labor representatives, who make up half of the Wolfsburg, Germany-based automakers supervisory board, have pressured VW management to enter discussions about union representation at the Chattanooga plant because U.S. law requires that any works council be created through an established union.
In Germany, wages are bargained through the union, while works councils negotiate plant-specific matters such as job security and working conditions for all employees.
Its important to note that the issue for us is works councils, not unions, Osterloh* said. And your law says if I want to transfer authority to a works council, I need to work with a union. [Emphasis added.]
[*Bernd Osterloh is the head of the Volkswagen’s global works councils and a member of the company’s supervisory board.]
The problem with this statement is: It is not true.
Of course, the UAW wont tell employees that it is not true because it is not in the unions interests to have VW workers (or the company, apparently) to know that U.S. labor law does allow employees to have representation without a formal unionas long as management has not create and does not control that representative.
It wont be long before the UAW will merge with some other Union like the Machinists.
Give workers a choice and the unions will lose. Look at Wisconsin where Governor Walker fought to end public employers collecting union dues directly from workers paychecks. When the rank and file workers have to write a check for their union dues they quickly soured on the benefits of having a union. Unions also hate right to work laws as they cannot force workers into joining a union.
Hard to believe VW execs and legal is ignorant, easier to believe they're still Fascists.
How Hitler Consolidated Power in Germany
and Launched A Social Revolution
The First Years of the Third Reich
Even before Hitler won Reichstag backing for his “Enabling Act,” Germany’s giant labor union federation, the ADGB, had begun to rally to the National Socialist cause. As historian Joachim Fest acknowledged: “On March 20, the labor federation’s executive committee addressed a kind of declaration of loyalty to Hitler.” (J. Fest, Hitler, p. 413.)
Hitler than took a bold and clever step. The unions had always clamored to have the First of May recognized as a worker’s holiday, but the Weimar Republic had never acceded to their request. Hitler, never missing an opportunity, grasped this one with both hands. He did more than grant this reasonable demand: he proclaimed the First of May a national holiday.
Just as the Socialist party had gone from a vote in the Reichstag against Hitler (March 23, 1933) to a vote of support (May 17, 1933), so did the union leaders make a 180-degree turn within weeks. At one stroke, Hitler granted to the union what they had vainly asked of every previous government: a holiday celebrated by the entire nation. He announced that in order to honor Labor, he would organize the biggest meeting in Germany’s history on the First of May at Tempelhof airfield in Berlin. Caught unprepared, but on the whole very pleased to take advantage of the situation by throwing in their lot with National Socialism and, what is more, to take part in a mass demonstration the like of which even Marxist workers could scarcely imagine, the union leadership called upon their leftist rank and file to join, with banners flying, the mass meetings held that May Day across Germany, and to acclaim Hitler.
European 'Work Councils'
Yes it is, it is huge.
It was discussed on Bill Bennett this week and I also had a chance to hear Terry Bowman of "UnionConservatives" this week in a public forum.
For more on Terry go here: http://www.unionconservatives.com/
Some of what I have heard....
* The NLRB waved the Union and VW discussing a game plan before a vote a 1st and a shocker to many conservatives.
* The UAW has been at this 3 years and put a ton of money into it ( I haven't 2nd sourced the time on this)
* VW wanted the Union to fill the same roll they do in Germany i.e Workers Circles or some such title i.e for "training" for the trades ( Why not a community college ?)
* That last item was huge in the sense that if the UAW / VW model would have won, it would have been a template for the Obamatons going forward elsewhere with the German-European mindset that Unions are a norm and it being under the guise of apprenticeships-training partnerships with the Corp world, they lost that...
* The Union pulled a trick so dirty they had to go to the vote asking workers to sign a card for more info when in actuality it was a request for a vote. Even the NLRB couldn't stand for this one.
Terry Bowman ( noted above ) discussed he had been in Tenn trying to talk to people and quite frankly were afraid to meet with him although he was able to meet with a good number ( i think he said 100 ) and was often "protested" when he was their.
It might be safe to say the UAW got their butts handed to them, it was what a 20 something % victory marginally? That would be a landslide in a political election...
I think in Michigan Conservatives keeping the House and Senate is critical so that right to work is not revisited and overturned. 2ndly, IMHO after that maybe workers that want to divorce themselves from Union representation will start ( they are scared etc ) and will it tangentially be a green light for businesses on the side lines worried about a reversal of this vote to finally come to Michigan because of it's engineering and manufacturing expertise. ( Firearm Manufacturers from CT and NY perhaps? Especially if we elect an "R" to the Senate. )
Maybe we will see next spring....
Whoa! Nasty bunch over there. Thanks for the link. I browsed around some other threads and they are vile! It looks like a good place to keep informed about the evil ones though.
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I am sure some fine people feel hurt about the results of this vote, but unions have put companies out of business.
Loss at Volkswagen plant upends union’s plan for U.S. South
By Bernie Woodall
CHATTANOOGA, Tennessee Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:33am EST
National Right to Work Foundation President Mark Mix hailed the outcome: “If UAW union officials cannot win when the odds are so stacked in their favor, perhaps they should re-evaluate the product they are selling to workers.”
Before the results were announced, King had said in an interview with Reuters that his group and the German union were already at work organizing a Daimler AG factory in Alabama.
Mike Burton, one of the anti-union leaders, cheered the results. “Not on our watch,” he exulted, adding, as did VW management, that plans to find a way for a workers council to help set rules for the factory would continue.
Many labor experts have said that a workers council, which is used in Germany, would not be possible at a U.S. VW factory without a union.
“We felt like we were already being treated very well by Volkswagen in terms of pay and benefits and bonuses,” said Sean Moss, who voted against the UAW. “We also looked at the track record of the UAW. Why buy a ticket on the Titanic?” he added.
“Whoa! Nasty bunch over there.”
The fact that those jerks have pictures of Karl Marx attached to their comments says it all. How anyone could follow that guys ludicrous crap is astounding.
Good Grief. Just how many of these idiots are ex-union because their plants are shut down?
Sounds like a bunch of bitter assholes from Wisconsin that Gov. Walker exposed as worthless.
I’ll also bet the full-time employee at VW has a fine living in Chattanooga.
Democrats are nothing but bitter and very greedy.
I’m still laughing my butt off!
Reuters already had the UAW winning as of two days ago Thursday.
Ha, ha, ha!
The news article reminds me of the lying media claiming in 2000 that “Gore Wins”.
UAW following Volkswagen road map to organize at Mercedes U.S. plant
By Ilona Wissenbach and Ben Klayman
STUTTGART/DETROIT Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:42pm EST
Feb 13 (Reuters) - The United Auto Workers union is following the same road map at the Mercedes-Benz plant in Alabama that it used to reach its historic vote to represent Volkswagen employees in Tennessee.
If it wins this week’s vote in Tennessee, industry observers and analysts expect the UAW to focus next on the 17-year-old Mercedes plant in Alabama and its 3,000 hourly workers. UAW President Bob King has said organizing the U.S. plants of foreign automakers is critical to the his union’s future.
Trumpka: “No unicorns for you!”
I had a job at VW for a few weeks. I resigned because they were really looking a seasoned project manager, not a nuts and bolts business analyst.
The germans in mgt. came off as being pretty out of touch, and one german guy I’m sure was gay and just at his job I suspect for hunting other men.
They seem to be completely German and have no interest in learning the culture.
Very different from working at a company that has an American culture.
Outstanding defeat for unions and 0bummer.
I dealt with union thugs when I was a teenager working a summer job, not even fully grown - two thugs threatened that I would get hurt pretty badly if I didn’t do what they said for the union. Besides being motivated to study self-defense, I have hated unions passionately ever since. Unions, as they exist in the United States, are inherently evil, and I always cheer union defeats and do my best not to buy union products.
I’d like to know what % of their members are actually auto workers. Many these days hospital and govt employees.
The UAW had organized the state employees here in Indiana and were disenfranchised by Gov. Daniels.
Thanks for that, I have been sheltered my entire career and never worked for a foreign outfit,...except, of course, the US government.
Hey Barry, they saw your union and told them that you could keep it.
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