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Union Suffers Big Loss at Tennessee VW Plant
Wall Street Journal ^ | Feb 14, 2014 | Neal E. Boudette

Posted on 02/15/2014 6:13:18 AM PST by KeyLargo

Union Suffers Big Loss at Tennessee VW Plant Volkswagen workers rejected the UAW by a vote of 712 to 626.

Neal E. Boudette

Updated Feb. 14, 2014 11:44 p.m. ET

The United Auto Workers union suffered a crushing defeat Friday, falling short in an election in which it seemed to have a clear path to organizing workers at Volkswagen AG VOW3.XE +1.10% 's plant in Chattanooga, Tenn.

The setback is a bitter defeat because the union had the cooperation of Volkswagen management and the aid of Germany's powerful IG Metall union, yet it failed to win a majority among the plants 1,550 hourly workers.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: alabama; autos; autoworkers; bobcorker; chattanooga; classwarfare; communism; corruption; democrats; elections; fraud; jobs; labor; marxism; mediabias; obama; socialism; statesrights; tennessee; uaw; unions; volkswagen
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1 posted on 02/15/2014 6:13:19 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

The Union lost, Awwhh, ..... 8^)


2 posted on 02/15/2014 6:16:35 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

Gee, no chance for coke cans in the doors of VW.

FU UAW.


3 posted on 02/15/2014 6:20:05 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: KeyLargo

President Obie said yesterday republicans were more interested in the German shareholders than the American workers. Last night the American workers said they were more interested in their own wallets than the wallets of the union bosses. FWIW; Chattanooga historically is very liberal friendly.


4 posted on 02/15/2014 6:20:52 AM PST by EandH Dad (sleeping giants wake up REALLY grumpy)
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To: KeyLargo

626? WHOA!

How to Identify Legal Plunder
But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.

Then abolish this law without delay, for it is not only an evil itself, but also it is a fertile source for further evils because it invites reprisals. If such a law — which may be an isolated case — is not abolished immediately, it will spread, multiply, and develop into a system.

The person who profits from this law will complain bitterly, defending his acquired rights. He will claim that the state is obligated to protect and encourage his particular industry; that this procedure enriches the state because the protected industry is thus able to spend more and to pay higher wages to the poor workingmen.

Do not listen to this sophistry by vested interests. The acceptance of these arguments will build legal plunder into a whole system. In fact, this has already occurred. The present-day delusion is an attempt to enrich everyone at the expense of everyone else; to make plunder universal under the pretense of organizing it.

Legal Plunder Has Many Names
Now, legal plunder can be committed in an infinite number of ways. Thus we have an infinite number of plans for organizing it: tariffs, protection, benefits, subsidies, encouragements, progressive taxation, public schools, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed profits, minimum wages, a right to relief, a right to the tools of labor, free credit, and so on, and so on. All these plans as a whole — with their common aim of legal plunder — constitute socialism.

HOORAY 712!


5 posted on 02/15/2014 6:21:12 AM PST by PGalt
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To: KeyLargo

Thank you to the guys and gals in Tennessee. This is going to hurt the ‘RATS’ campaign “war chest.” Great job!!!


6 posted on 02/15/2014 6:22:24 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (As government expands, liberty contracts. - President Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

We don’t like unions much down here.


7 posted on 02/15/2014 6:25:55 AM PST by Tennessee Conservative
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To: KeyLargo
Although watching MSNBC is generally disgusting, I like to watch when news like this comes in. The salty taste of proglodyte tears is sooooo delicious! I'm hoping for a full-on meltdown.

They may try to avoid discussing it. That would be funny too but not quite as good.

8 posted on 02/15/2014 6:26:08 AM PST by hitkicker (The only thing worse than a politician is a child molester)
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To: Tennessee Conservative

:)


9 posted on 02/15/2014 6:26:52 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (As government expands, liberty contracts. - President Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: KeyLargo

This is bigger than it seems. I believe this was the opening salvo in the “workers of the world unite” bid to form a giant, worldwide behemoth. This is a major setback for the unions.


10 posted on 02/15/2014 6:27:29 AM PST by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: KeyLargo

The union’s response that “outside influence’s” contributed to the out come, made me want to roll on the floor in fits of laughter.


11 posted on 02/15/2014 6:33:50 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: PGalt

Well done.


12 posted on 02/15/2014 6:35:50 AM PST by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Glad to see that the Governor and 1 Senator was happy. No mention of Alexander.
13 posted on 02/15/2014 6:36:57 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Coldwater Creek

Obama weighs in on contentious union vote at Volkswagen plant

ReutersReuters – 15 hours ago

Obama's interjection in the war of words on Friday, albeit behind closed doors, underscored how much is stake in the three-day vote by VW's 1,550 hourly workers. The vote is due to end at 8:30 p.m. ET and the results could be announced soon after that.

A loss could accelerate the decline in membership, now at just under 400,000 from a peak of 1.5 million. It also would reinforce the widely held notion that the UAW cannot make significant inroads in a region that historically has been steadfastly anti-union. Virtually every state in the U.S. South has passed right-to-work legislation that gives workers the choice of joining a union and paying union dues.

Via: http://finance.yahoo.com/

14 posted on 02/15/2014 6:39:28 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Here in the south the word union still has a bitter taste to it.


15 posted on 02/15/2014 6:56:53 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: fella

Ha, ha.

Obama speaks at United Auto Workers conference

“You are showing us what is possible in America.”

http://www.politico.com/multimedia/video/obama-speaks-at-united-auto-workers-conference.html


16 posted on 02/15/2014 7:03:59 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Unions are an arm of the DIMs and major extortionists. As to the results of the VW vote: Bwaaaaaahahahahahahaha.


17 posted on 02/15/2014 7:06:03 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: hal ogen

Unions Slump on Bad Obama Bet

John Ransom | Feb 18, 2013

Alarm bells are going off for labor unions around the country.

Four years after electing the most pro-labor president of the last half-decade, it looks like the scheme has backfired.

In 2008 and 2012 labor unions used everything, including a little body English, ballot stuffing and voter intimidation to elect a president who would bring the prestige of presidential backing to recruitment efforts for labor unions.

Since then not only have labor unions taken historic defeats in former union strongholds, like Wisconsin and Michigan, labor union membership is declining at a rate that will make them a footnote in the annals of history if the steady decline in membership keeps up at the current pace.

“The U.S. Department of Labor’s Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) released statistics Jan. 23 that confirm an alarming drop in unionization,” writes Denver Labor attorney Bill Berger in the Denver Business Journal, “especially in private (nongovernmental) workplaces…. BLS statistics show unions lost 400,000 members in America last year. In 2011, 11.8 percent of all workers were union. That dropped to 11.3 percent in 2012.”

“We’re getting destroyed,” said MNBC’s hilariously-named “business” expert and Democrat, pro-union candidate Krystal Ball about labor unions.

And yes, I understand “Krystal Ball” is her real name, but there are cool real names- like Johnny Ransom- and ones that make you sound like a stripper, like, um Krystal Ball.

If you can manage to watch past her eyebrows moving up and down to highlight her sincerity and the drippy, syrupy, plastic rhetoric …well, anyway, you can see the video below.

Video: http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2013/02/18/unons-slump-on-bad-obama-bet-n1514622


18 posted on 02/15/2014 7:08:45 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo
Gary Casteel; Union Thug:

"Unfortunately, politically motivated third parties threatened the economic future of this facility and the opportunity for workers to create a successful operating model that that would grow jobs in Tennessee,"

He blames outside influences on their loss. Then we read a couple paragraphs down:

The Chattanooga workers had been courted steadily for nearly two years by both the UAW and the IG Metall union...

Seems to me the United Awful Workers and IG Metall engaged in the same kind of politically motivated influence with their "courting".

I guess it's OK for them to engage in attempts at influencing the workers to vote for their miserable union, but it's not OK for anyone to attempt to influence the workers to vote against it. It gives me a headache just trying to follow these creatures logic.

19 posted on 02/15/2014 7:17:25 AM PST by SkiKnee
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To: KeyLargo
Interesting, wonder if the VW corporation was looking for crony capitalist (Fascist) favors by endorsing the Obama Rat UAW? It's nice if the government puts the competition out of business for ya.
20 posted on 02/15/2014 7:18:02 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: bk1000

That was exactly what I thought too. This whole “council” thing. It’s already here. DTE Energy (Detroit Edison) has phased it in.


21 posted on 02/15/2014 7:20:12 AM PST by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: KeyLargo


22 posted on 02/15/2014 7:22:15 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode

RAT heads are exploding this very minute... check it out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014728291


23 posted on 02/15/2014 7:22:33 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Navy Patriot

Good explanation here about VW and it’s socialist “Works Councils”.

Posted by Editor on November 20, 2013 at 5:20 pm
A Lesson In U.S. Labor Law & How The UAW Is Lying Its Way Into The South With VW’s Help

The UAW doesn’t want U.S. workers to know they don’t need the UAW in order to have representation on VW’s Works Council–they can do it themselves.

Notwithstanding the fact that the next boss of Germany’s largest union, IG Metall, just seemingly compared the U.S. South to North Korea, and after chasing companies out of the North and Midwest, unions have long had their sights set on getting their grip on the Southern States–and the Volkswagen plant in Chattanooga, Tennessee may be where they hope the fall of the South begins.

The United Auto Workers, Volkswagen and its union, IGMetall, are misleading the VW employees in Tennessee about U.S. labor law and it’s about time the employees there learned the truth:

Under U.S. labor law, workers have the right to represent themselves–individually or collectively–without having a union like the UAW.
Unions’ Misrepresentation About Representation

Over the last several months, misinformation has been put out in the press by a lot of people about U.S. labor law.

The common belief, as stated by (primarily) union advocates and echoed by Volkswagen is that the only way Volkswagen’s employees in Chattanooga can have representation on its Works Council is through a trade union.

It was stated again on Tuesday in the USAToday:

Labor representatives, who make up half of the Wolfsburg, Germany-based automaker’s supervisory board, have pressured VW management to enter discussions about union representation at the Chattanooga plant because U.S. law requires that any works council be created through an established union.

In Germany, wages are bargained through the union, while works councils negotiate plant-specific matters such as job security and working conditions for all employees.

“It’s important to note that the issue for us is works councils, not unions,” Osterloh* said. “And your law says if I want to transfer authority to a works council, I need to work with a union.” [Emphasis added.]

[*Bernd Osterloh is the head of the Volkswagen’s global works councils and a member of the company’s supervisory board.]

The problem with this statement is: It is not true.

Of course, the UAW won’t tell employees that it is not true because it is not in the union’s interests to have VW workers (or the company, apparently) to know that U.S. labor law does allow employees to have representation without a formal union–as long as management has not create and does not control that representative.

Read at:

http://laborunionreport.com/2013/11/20/a-lesson-in-u-s-labor-law-how-the-uaw-is-lying-its-way-into-the-south-with-vws-help/


24 posted on 02/15/2014 7:30:03 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: SandRat

It wont be long before the UAW will merge with some other Union like the Machinists.


25 posted on 02/15/2014 7:30:59 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: KeyLargo

Give workers a choice and the unions will lose. Look at Wisconsin where Governor Walker fought to end public employers collecting union dues directly from workers paychecks. When the rank and file workers have to write a check for their union dues they quickly soured on the benefits of having a union. Unions also hate right to work laws as they cannot force workers into joining a union.


26 posted on 02/15/2014 7:32:05 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: KeyLargo
Thanks for that, I have always advocated for right to work state law and enforced my Beck rights.

Hard to believe VW execs and legal is ignorant, easier to believe they're still Fascists.

27 posted on 02/15/2014 7:49:27 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: The Great RJ

How Hitler Consolidated Power in Germany
and Launched A Social Revolution

The First Years of the Third Reich

Even before Hitler won Reichstag backing for his “Enabling Act,” Germany’s giant labor union federation, the ADGB, had begun to rally to the National Socialist cause. As historian Joachim Fest acknowledged: “On March 20, the labor federation’s executive committee addressed a kind of declaration of loyalty to Hitler.” (J. Fest, Hitler, p. 413.)

Hitler than took a bold and clever step. The unions had always clamored to have the First of May recognized as a worker’s holiday, but the Weimar Republic had never acceded to their request. Hitler, never missing an opportunity, grasped this one with both hands. He did more than grant this reasonable demand: he proclaimed the First of May a national holiday.

Just as the Socialist party had gone from a vote in the Reichstag against Hitler (March 23, 1933) to a vote of support (May 17, 1933), so did the union leaders make a 180-degree turn within weeks. At one stroke, Hitler granted to the union what they had vainly asked of every previous government: a holiday celebrated by the entire nation. He announced that in order to honor Labor, he would organize the biggest meeting in Germany’s history on the First of May at Tempelhof airfield in Berlin. Caught unprepared, but on the whole very pleased to take advantage of the situation by throwing in their lot with National Socialism and, what is more, to take part in a mass demonstration the like of which even Marxist workers could scarcely imagine, the union leadership called upon their leftist rank and file to join, with banners flying, the mass meetings held that May Day across Germany, and to acclaim Hitler.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p299_Degrelle.html


28 posted on 02/15/2014 7:50:26 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: EandH Dad

European 'Work Councils'

29 posted on 02/15/2014 8:02:30 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: bk1000; All
This is bigger than it seems.

Yes it is, it is huge.

It was discussed on Bill Bennett this week and I also had a chance to hear Terry Bowman of "UnionConservatives" this week in a public forum.

For more on Terry go here: http://www.unionconservatives.com/

Some of what I have heard....

* The NLRB waved the Union and VW discussing a game plan before a vote a 1st and a shocker to many conservatives.
* The UAW has been at this 3 years and put a ton of money into it ( I haven't 2nd sourced the time on this)
* VW wanted the Union to fill the same roll they do in Germany i.e Workers Circles or some such title i.e for "training" for the trades ( Why not a community college ?)
* That last item was huge in the sense that if the UAW / VW model would have won, it would have been a template for the Obamatons going forward elsewhere with the German-European mindset that Unions are a norm and it being under the guise of apprenticeships-training partnerships with the Corp world, they lost that...
* The Union pulled a trick so dirty they had to go to the vote asking workers to sign a card for more info when in actuality it was a request for a vote. Even the NLRB couldn't stand for this one.

Terry Bowman ( noted above ) discussed he had been in Tenn trying to talk to people and quite frankly were afraid to meet with him although he was able to meet with a good number ( i think he said 100 ) and was often "protested" when he was their.

It might be safe to say the UAW got their butts handed to them, it was what a 20 something % victory marginally? That would be a landslide in a political election...

30 posted on 02/15/2014 8:28:07 AM PST by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: KeyLargo
One more thing...

I think in Michigan Conservatives keeping the House and Senate is critical so that right to work is not revisited and overturned. 2ndly, IMHO after that maybe workers that want to divorce themselves from Union representation will start ( they are scared etc ) and will it tangentially be a green light for businesses on the side lines worried about a reversal of this vote to finally come to Michigan because of it's engineering and manufacturing expertise. ( Firearm Manufacturers from CT and NY perhaps? Especially if we elect an "R" to the Senate. )

Maybe we will see next spring....

31 posted on 02/15/2014 8:35:21 AM PST by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: Chode
RAT heads are exploding this very minute... check it out

Whoa! Nasty bunch over there. Thanks for the link. I browsed around some other threads and they are vile! It looks like a good place to keep informed about the evil ones though.

32 posted on 02/15/2014 8:35:31 AM PST by Tennessee Conservative
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To: Tennessee Conservative
yup, like the man said... You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
33 posted on 02/15/2014 8:37:47 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: taildragger

Michigan Firearms Manufacturers Companies

Manta has 9 results under Firearms Manufacturers Companies in Michigan

http://www.manta.com/mb_45_F11E47N7_23/rifles_or_rifle_parts_30_mm_and_below/michigan


34 posted on 02/15/2014 8:38:10 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: taildragger

Bills to attract firearms manufacturers recently proposed in Michigan Senate
Posted on July 1, 2013 by Senator Tom Casperson

Sen. Tom Casperson recently introduced a measure to create Arms Related Manufacturing (ARM) zones.

ARM zones are modeled after tool and die zones to create tax incentives to attract firearms manufacturers to locate in Michigan. Due to recent restrictive legislation being proposed and enacted in their home states, some gun manufacturers are increasingly looking to other states as a possible new home for their respective businesses.

http://www.senatortomcasperson.com/video/


35 posted on 02/15/2014 8:44:27 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

I am sure some fine people feel hurt about the results of this vote, but unions have put companies out of business.


36 posted on 02/15/2014 8:50:04 AM PST by YepYep (Build the America you want at your address, and keep looking up.--Sarah Palin)
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To: Navy Patriot

Loss at Volkswagen plant upends union’s plan for U.S. South

By Bernie Woodall

CHATTANOOGA, Tennessee Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:33am EST

National Right to Work Foundation President Mark Mix hailed the outcome: “If UAW union officials cannot win when the odds are so stacked in their favor, perhaps they should re-evaluate the product they are selling to workers.”

Before the results were announced, King had said in an interview with Reuters that his group and the German union were already at work organizing a Daimler AG factory in Alabama.

Mike Burton, one of the anti-union leaders, cheered the results. “Not on our watch,” he exulted, adding, as did VW management, that plans to find a way for a workers council to help set rules for the factory would continue.

Many labor experts have said that a workers council, which is used in Germany, would not be possible at a U.S. VW factory without a union.

“We felt like we were already being treated very well by Volkswagen in terms of pay and benefits and bonuses,” said Sean Moss, who voted against the UAW. “We also looked at the track record of the UAW. Why buy a ticket on the Titanic?” he added.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/15/us-autos-vw-election-idUSBREA1D1DP20140215


37 posted on 02/15/2014 8:51:04 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Tennessee Conservative

“Whoa! Nasty bunch over there.”

The fact that those jerks have pictures of Karl Marx attached to their comments says it all. How anyone could follow that guys ludicrous crap is astounding.


38 posted on 02/15/2014 8:51:30 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Chode

Good Grief. Just how many of these idiots are ex-union because their plants are shut down?

Sounds like a bunch of bitter assholes from Wisconsin that Gov. Walker exposed as worthless.

I’ll also bet the full-time employee at VW has a fine living in Chattanooga.

Democrats are nothing but bitter and very greedy.


39 posted on 02/15/2014 9:01:29 AM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: Chode

I’m still laughing my butt off!

Reuters already had the UAW winning as of two days ago Thursday.

“Historic vote”

Ha, ha, ha!

The news article reminds me of the lying media claiming in 2000 that “Gore Wins”.

UAW following Volkswagen road map to organize at Mercedes U.S. plant

By Ilona Wissenbach and Ben Klayman

STUTTGART/DETROIT Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:42pm EST

Feb 13 (Reuters) - The United Auto Workers union is following the same road map at the Mercedes-Benz plant in Alabama that it used to reach its historic vote to represent Volkswagen employees in Tennessee.

If it wins this week’s vote in Tennessee, industry observers and analysts expect the UAW to focus next on the 17-year-old Mercedes plant in Alabama and its 3,000 hourly workers. UAW President Bob King has said organizing the U.S. plants of foreign automakers is critical to the his union’s future.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/13/autos-daimler-alabama-idUSL2N0LI1I920140213


40 posted on 02/15/2014 9:01:29 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Trumpka: “No unicorns for you!”


41 posted on 02/15/2014 9:01:32 AM PST by Sapwolf (Talkers are usually more articulate than doers, since talk is their specialty. -Sowell)
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To: Sapwolf

42 posted on 02/15/2014 9:12:19 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: eyedigress
100%
43 posted on 02/15/2014 9:29:17 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Navy Patriot

I had a job at VW for a few weeks. I resigned because they were really looking a seasoned project manager, not a nuts and bolts business analyst.

The germans in mgt. came off as being pretty out of touch, and one german guy I’m sure was gay and just at his job I suspect for hunting other men.

They seem to be completely German and have no interest in learning the culture.

Very different from working at a company that has an American culture.


44 posted on 02/15/2014 9:30:09 AM PST by Sapwolf (Talkers are usually more articulate than doers, since talk is their specialty. -Sowell)
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To: KeyLargo

and the RATS, take another one in the.........HA ha!!!

45 posted on 02/15/2014 9:30:15 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: KeyLargo

Outstanding defeat for unions and 0bummer.


46 posted on 02/15/2014 9:37:15 AM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: KeyLargo

I dealt with union thugs when I was a teenager working a summer job, not even fully grown - two thugs threatened that I would get hurt pretty badly if I didn’t do what they said for the union. Besides being motivated to study self-defense, I have hated unions passionately ever since. Unions, as they exist in the United States, are inherently evil, and I always cheer union defeats and do my best not to buy union products.


47 posted on 02/15/2014 9:37:19 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

I’d like to know what % of their members are actually auto workers. Many these days hospital and govt employees.

The UAW had organized the state employees here in Indiana and were disenfranchised by Gov. Daniels.


48 posted on 02/15/2014 10:04:00 AM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Sapwolf

Thanks for that, I have been sheltered my entire career and never worked for a foreign outfit,...except, of course, the US government.


49 posted on 02/15/2014 10:14:33 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: KeyLargo

Hey Barry, they saw your union and told them that you could keep it.


50 posted on 02/15/2014 10:23:35 AM PST by csvset
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