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U.S. Adds 113,000 Jobs, in Latest Worrying Sign on Growth
The Wall Street Journal ^ | February 7, 2014 | Eric Morath And Josh Mitchell

Posted on 02/07/2014 5:41:02 AM PST by John W

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1 posted on 02/07/2014 5:41:02 AM PST by John W
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To: John W

I have a dumb question ...

How many of these “new jobs” are actually fulltime jobs that have been down-sized to part-time jobs under 0bamacare.

Which would essentially mean that there were no real jobs created at all.


2 posted on 02/07/2014 5:43:18 AM PST by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: John W

So what exactly are Republicans offering to build up America’s employment?

Hmm?

Forget democrats. Democrats only seek power. What are Republicans doing which builds up America?

What?


3 posted on 02/07/2014 5:43:18 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: John W

Looks like a lot more of our fellow citizens are escaping the dreaded “job lock.”


4 posted on 02/07/2014 5:43:31 AM PST by IamConservative (There is no place like 127.0.0.1)
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To: John W
Participation rate increased to 63% from 62.8% which is a positive. Here's the breakdown of where the jobs were created:


5 posted on 02/07/2014 5:46:08 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: John W

Obama’s household survey lowers unemployment rate again. Totally bogus.


6 posted on 02/07/2014 5:46:41 AM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
So what exactly are Republicans offering to build up America’s employment?

Discussing bringing in 20 million + more unskilled laborers?

7 posted on 02/07/2014 5:47:07 AM PST by skeeter
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To: John W
350,000 new unemployment claims, 113,000 new hires and the unemployment rate drops 0.1

Reads like Pravda and Tass circa 1972.

8 posted on 02/07/2014 5:47:55 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (Those that vote for a living outnumber those that work for one.)
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To: John W
S&P has bounced back but here's the 1 minute chart from when the NFP report was announced:


9 posted on 02/07/2014 5:47:56 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Seems like overall the report is not good. Do you think the numbers are accurate?


10 posted on 02/07/2014 5:48:44 AM PST by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: John W
WOW! That 113,000 added to the fortyleven million jobs Obama has already creatd! That should push unemployment down to What? 4.1%. What a guy!

/sarc

11 posted on 02/07/2014 5:49:54 AM PST by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9
Sigh... I guess I have to go through this again.

Initial Claims is the number of people who lost there job in one week. There are tens of thousands who are hired and fired/quit every week.

The NFP jobs report is the NET INCREASE OR DECREASE of that churn (caveat - not the same data set but related)

The initial claims we are experiencing now is well within normal range for a growing economy.

12 posted on 02/07/2014 5:50:51 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: John W

At what point does the overall length of time it takes to recover diminish the prospect of being in a “recovery?


13 posted on 02/07/2014 5:50:58 AM PST by John 3_19-21 (Life is way too short to suffer fools long.)
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To: John W

The national unemployment rate, a key economic metric in our country, is a total farse but its not alone. The CPI is also a joke as are a few other measures of economic health.

The country is run by scoundrels and idiots.


14 posted on 02/07/2014 5:51:47 AM PST by Starboard
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To: John W

So over last two months, less than 190,000 jobs have been created in total (85k average per month). And yet the unemployment rate has dropped from 6.9% to 6.6% during this time. Unbelievable corruption.


15 posted on 02/07/2014 5:52:45 AM PST by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Republicans are passively doing nothing, which is their ususal posture.


16 posted on 02/07/2014 5:52:47 AM PST by Starboard
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To: John W

It’s a weird report as the household survey showed +113k while the establishment survey showed +616k. Quite a huge divergence.

Participation rate increased which is positive.

U6 dropped to 12.7% which is the lowest since 2008.

Private sector jobs were +142k (construction +48k which is very positive) and the public sector shed jobs again (also positive)

Bottom line it’s a pretty luke warm report which is consistent with the slow growth we have been seeing.


17 posted on 02/07/2014 5:55:20 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: John W

If Obama would just create an advertising campaign for people to stop filing for unemployment, he could get unemployment down to 0%. That’s making the trains run on time!


18 posted on 02/07/2014 5:56:33 AM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: John W
Bill McBride's "Scariest Jobs Chart Ever"


19 posted on 02/07/2014 5:56:47 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: John W

There is no growth. There is no recovery. The sooner the Wall Street Journal gets out of the skyscrapers and down into the real world, the sooner their reports will be more accurate.

Don’t get me wrong, I like WSJ, but sometimes it seems they aren’t in touch with the common man.


20 posted on 02/07/2014 5:57:29 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: OrioleFan

Pure economic legerdemain. Snake oil sold to a gullible public.


21 posted on 02/07/2014 5:58:42 AM PST by Starboard
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To: John W

The “experts” only missed their prediction by 76,000 this month, after missing the number by 100,000 to the down side last month. Yep. those economists can really read the pulse of this economy, can’t they?


22 posted on 02/07/2014 5:58:53 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Wyatt's Torch

The number of jobs created is meaningless. Was the job created a part time job that replaced a full time position?

Was the new job at WalMart or as a mechanical engineer?

The unemployment rate is the biggest farce of all.


23 posted on 02/07/2014 6:01:11 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: John W

With the government’s new “unemployment” rate, it would appear that a lot of people living in the U.S. have decided to join Barry’s “fundamentally transformed” America and just stay home playing the guitar and writing poetry.


24 posted on 02/07/2014 6:02:13 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare. The "global warming" of healthcare plans.)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

The numbers may say slow growth but out here in the real world I’m not sure what’s growing.


25 posted on 02/07/2014 6:07:13 AM PST by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The Republicans can lead by offering all the incentives using regulations and tax code they want. It’s up to the private sector to follow. The question is a matter of trust. Can you trust the policies from DC the long run to remain stable while you build your business? And the writing is on the wall, we’re moving toward ‘democratic economic populism’. Where people will vote for largess from the treasury. Businesses are merely tax collectors for the government. They’re sitting ducks. Just a slight uptick in interest rates would cause an enormous increase in payments on the National Debt. And business knows the source where Big Gov will go. It’s coming. It’s just a question of when.


26 posted on 02/07/2014 6:16:08 AM PST by griswold3 (Post-Christian America is living on borrowed moral heritage)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Any doubt that computers are doing all the “trading” should be completely eliminated by today’s action. It came right back up and literally almost off that graph within fifteen minutes. It’s jacking around at 1777 now.


27 posted on 02/07/2014 6:18:42 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: John W

Market will go up most of day, smart $ likely will sell off at 2pm or so. Janet will open the spigot. Meanwhile, more helium fills the balloon(s).


28 posted on 02/07/2014 6:22:35 AM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your lid on; don't let anyone dump garbage on you.)
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To: EBH

Not a dumb question. It’s hard to gauge what’s real and what’s not anymore.


29 posted on 02/07/2014 6:24:49 AM PST by CommieCutter ("For an idea to be too simplistic, it must first be proven wrong" --Thomas Sowell)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

NFP shows 66K jobs lost - initial claims were 350K. “Not the same data set” is an understatement.


30 posted on 02/07/2014 6:24:50 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (Those that vote for a living outnumber those that work for one.)
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To: Wyatt's Torch
ΔU = change in unemployment

For February U = 6.2

October U= 6.2 - (8*ΔU) = 5.4

Where ΔU = .1

31 posted on 02/07/2014 6:26:57 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

“well within normal range for a growing economy.”

A mischaracterization if there ever was one. Growing technically but at an extremely anemic rate.

If it continues to grow at this “normal” rate this country’s economy will collapse of it’s own weight.


32 posted on 02/07/2014 6:31:42 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: John W
The unemployment rate, obtained through a separate survey, fell to 6.6% last month from 6.7% in December, the Labor Department said.

All hail our lord and master - isn't he just the coolest ever!!! /sarc
33 posted on 02/07/2014 6:32:30 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: shelterguy
Over past year, full-time employment has risen by 1.8 million, part-time by just 8,000.

Full-time:


34 posted on 02/07/2014 6:57:06 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

Missing the point. If you think because initial claims is +335k that it’s a farce that NFP is +113K then you don’t understand the data sets.


35 posted on 02/07/2014 6:58:37 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: NY.SS-Bar9
And NFP is not -66k. Not even close to being accurate. The last negative NFP was in February 2010:


36 posted on 02/07/2014 6:59:59 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: traderrob6
Here are the facts on Initial Claims. The average for the last 45 years is 363,000. Currently the 4WMA is 334,000 so this job environment is actually BETTER than average from an initial claims standpoint.

I've made countless comments in these economic threads about the anemic rate of growth. But there is growth. It is well below average for an economic recovery due to the stifling regulation from the Obama administration.

Nevertheless corporate profits are at record highs:

It could be better sure. But it has been a positive environment despite the government/regulation headwinds.

37 posted on 02/07/2014 7:06:30 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: John W
Yesterday's UE report indicated that the January job creations number would likely be 185,000.

More BLS Fun-with-Numbers. They just bend over and pull out number -- SWAGs.
38 posted on 02/07/2014 7:06:54 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: jiggyboy

True on the algos. Taper off?


39 posted on 02/07/2014 7:06:56 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: John W

Well corporate profits are at a record high... :-)


40 posted on 02/07/2014 7:08:29 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: John W

Ok, here’s what’s not computing with me regarding these U.S. Department of Labor statistics... For years, I’ve been informed that the U.S. economy needs to add roughly 150,000 jobs per month just to keep up with the rate of population growth. So given that the two most recent jobs reports reveal far fewer jobs being added than this, how exactly is the unemployment rate decreasing?? I get that folks who quit looking for work or retire are no longer counted in the U-3 unemployment census... But how does the labor participation rate supposedly INCREASE while the number of jobs created came in at only 113,000 (significantly lower than the 150,000 jobs needed to “break even”), yet the unemployment rate somehow manages to DROP again this month??

Not to mention, with an estimated 92 million(!) of the U.S. adult population currently not participating in the work force, how laughable is it that the U-3 now shows the economy approximately a mere 2 percentage points away from attaining what historically would be considered full employment (between 4-5%)???

Something just isn’t adding up here, folks. Given the rogue regime currently in charge of our labor department, I’d say we’re being hoodwinked yet again.


41 posted on 02/07/2014 7:11:52 AM PST by DestroyLiberalism
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To: Wyatt's Torch

One major positive to see in this latest jobs report is the number of government jobs decreasing. ALWAYS a welcome sight in this dark era of overbloated government!


43 posted on 02/07/2014 7:18:41 AM PST by DestroyLiberalism
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More Obamaganda re increase in jobs. Here is the reality: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3120285/posts 2014 January Job Cut Report: Planned Cuts Surge 50 Percent Challenger Grey ^ |

Feb 5, 2014 Posted on by KeyLargo 2014 January Job Cut Report: Planned Cuts Surge 50 Percent After falling to a 13-year low in December, monthly job cuts surged nearly 50 percent to kick off 2014, as U.S.-based employers announced plans to reduce their payrolls by 45,107 in January, according to the latest report on monthly job cuts released Thursday by global outplacement consultancy Challenger, Gray & Christmas, Inc.

The 45,107 job cuts last month were 47 percent higher than a December total of 30,623, which was the lowest one-month total since 17,241 planned layoffs were announced in June 2000. January job cuts were up 12 percent from the same month a year ago, when 40,430 job cuts were recorded. The heaviest downsizing activity occurred in retail, where poor earnings led to a wave of job cut announcements from several national chains, including Macy’s, Sam’s Club, JC Penney, Sears, Best Buy and Target. Overall, retailers announced 11,394 job cuts in January; a 71 percent increase from the 6,676 retail cuts tracked in January 2013.

Last month’s retail cuts were the heaviest for the sector since last March, when 16,445 planned layoffs were announced. “Holiday sales gains were relatively weak and many retailers achieved the gains by slashing prices on their products, which adversely impacted their year-end earnings.

The post-holiday job-letting in the sector was inevitable,” said John A. Challenger, chief executive officer of Challenger, Gray & Christmas. “Retail employment will, in fact, fall further than the announced job cuts indicate. Starting in January, retailers started shedding the tens of thousands of temporary seasonal workers hired to help handle the holiday rush.

The announced job cuts, on the other hand, will impact full-time, permanent workers in the stores and at the corporate offices of these struggling chains,” he added.

Then, we have the CBO projections: “ Washington’s official non-partisan bean-counter, the Congressional Budget Office, dropped a bomb. By 2024, says the CBO, Obamacare will reduce the size of the U.S. labor force by 2.5 million full-time-equivalent workers.”


44 posted on 02/07/2014 7:20:31 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obamacare is a Trinity of Lies! Obamaganda is failing 24/7/365! ObamaCare will fail 24/7/365!)
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To: John W

Just saw one of Obama’s cronies on CNBC bragging about how fast they got to 6.6% unemployment. And he did it with a big smile on his face.


45 posted on 02/07/2014 7:25:46 AM PST by Rusty0604
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The biggest problem is that the Obamacare mandates now kicking in has scared a lot of companies from hiring more people, given the severe complications of the new mandates.
46 posted on 02/07/2014 7:48:49 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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“””
Over past year, full-time employment has risen by 1.8 million, part-time by just 8,000. “”””

Hussein revised full time job to mean 30 hours.


47 posted on 02/07/2014 7:59:13 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: John W

Has anyone given any thought whatsoever to what this mess will look like after 2016?


48 posted on 02/07/2014 7:59:17 AM PST by Rich21IE
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It's 'Disturbing' How Fast The Unemployment Rate Is Falling

Rob Wile

Yikes.

The unemployment rate is falling really fast.

This morning, we learned it had declined to 6.6% — the 23rd-straight month without an increase. As Brooking's and UMichigan's Justin Wolfers observes, the rate has dropped 1.3% over the past year — an insane acceleration from 2012's decline of just 0.3%.

"Only three other times in the past six decades has the unemployment rate fallen this far this fast: in the early 1950s, when growth averaged 6.7% per annum; in the late 1970s when GDP growth averaged 4.8%, and in the mid-1980s when growth averaged 5.2%," said Gluskin Sheff's David Rosenberg to the U.S. Senate Budget Committee earlier this week.

In those other three instances, growth was robust. This time around, he says, we should probably be concerned about what's causing the plunge.

"Today we accomplished this feat with only 2.4% growth which is disturbing because it means that it is not taking much in the way of incremental economic activity to drain valuable resources out of the labor market," Rosenberg continued.

Most economists attribute the decline in unemployment to the drop in the labor force participation rate (LFPR) — the measure of those employed or looking for work divided by the working-age population. And the drop in the LFPR has been due to a combination of aging demographics and an expanding group of discouraged workers walking away from the job market.

Rosenberg added in his testimony that the patchwork of state and federal benefits program might be distorting the signal sent by the LFPR as it may be incentivizing some people to stay out of the labor market.

"One theory that deserves examination is that we may have an abundance of separate benefits programs that provide for the disenfranchised in a very piecemeal and inefficient manner that are also perhaps abused or overly relied upon by some, which may lead to a distortion of work incentives," he said.

Still, if we get to the point where we have a shortage of labor, we could see wage growth surge, which in turn could stoke inflation and pressure corporate profit margins.

Everyone's inclination will remain to keep an eye on these figures.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/unemployment-falling-too-fast-2014-2#ixzz2seWOmGVd

49 posted on 02/07/2014 8:00:55 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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So, why all the fuss about extending jobless benefits? After all, the unemployment rate is down again.

Rub it in their faces until they tell the truth.


50 posted on 02/07/2014 8:01:28 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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