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The whole "Catholic priests molest boys" thing is silly. While this problem has always existed, the surge in cases was obviously due to infiltration.

I may be the most anti-Catholic poster on this forum, but I've never joined the "Catholic priests are perverts" chorus. There's this thing called human nature that everyone has to struggle with. My problems with the Catholic Church are its liberalism, not its having been infiltrated.

Likewise I see some Fundamentalist Protestants still fighting the old pre-VII church that no longer even exists. There's a lot of things I'm afraid of, but the Catholic Church taking over the world and forcing everyone to join it is nowhere near the list.

Likewise some FP FReepers actually laud Vatican II. That's insane! Do they know what VII taught?

VC II is not so much the problem, as the sixties radicals who used VCII as an excuse to run hog wild. They're still doing it in some quarters. Makes you want to scream.

I would be VERY pleased if everybody adhered to the actual documents of VCII - then once everybody's doing that, we can work on the details.

I think some of the liberalism is just idealistic, naive bishops, although some is certainly doctrinaire Marxism. That crept into the Church along with the lavender mob.

And you are FAR from the most anti-Catholic poster on this forum. At least you THINK and we can have a discussion. I get so tired of the knee-jerk "I hate Catholic" posters, especially when they get in bed with the likes of the U.N. just so they can attack the Church. I don't post a gloating thread every time some evangelical preacher gets caught stealing from the plate or running off with his lady organist . . . don't see the need. But some folks apparently do . . . .