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Don't Expect Electric Cars To Save The Environment
IBD ^ | 02/03/2014

Posted on 02/03/2014 5:17:02 AM PST by SeekAndFind

In 2010, President Obama said he wanted 1 million electric cars on the road by 2015. They won't be there, and it wouldn't matter if they were. A nation full of electric cars will make no ecological difference.

So what if nearly half of us were driving EDVs (hybrid, plug-in hybrid, and battery electric vehicles) by 2050? Wouldn't that mean a cleaner environment? After all, it's those fossil-fuel-burning dinosaurs that are ruining the world, isn't it?

Not necessarily. A recent North Carolina State University study "indicates that even a sharp increase in the use of electric drive passenger vehicles (EDVs) by 2050 would not significantly reduce emissions of high-profile air pollutants carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide or nitrogen oxides."

Joseph DeCarolis, an assistant professor of civil, construction and environmental engineering at the school, said the study "wanted to see how important EDVs may be over the next 40 years in terms of their ability to reduce emissions."

What it found was "that increasing the use of EDVs" to 42% of passenger vehicles in the U.S. "is not an effective way to produce large emissions reductions." One reason, of course, is that electric cars, the EDVs that the political left believes have magical healing powers, also burn fossil fuel.

Hybrids have to burn gasoline at times and plug-ins, both hybrids and battery-powered cars, need electricity from coal- and gas-fired generating plants to charge their batteries. Yes, the Tesla owner so proudly driving that "zero emissions" electric car is actually a polluter.

The production process needed to build battery-powered cars is also dirty. It emits pollutants and greenhouse gases in larger amounts than the production process of conventional autos.

Indeed, a Norwegian university estimates that the manufacture of electric vehicles creates about twice the emissions that gasoline car production does.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: efv; electriccars; energy; environment

1 posted on 02/03/2014 5:17:02 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Just what I need....A car that bursts into flames...a car that goes 40 miles in winter and stops....a higher electric bill along with a new government surcharge I'm sure..

Yeh....I'll take two...

2 posted on 02/03/2014 5:20:02 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: SeekAndFind
plug-ins, both hybrids and battery-powered cars, need electricity from coal- and gas-fired generating plants to charge their batteries.

Not necessarily. Electricity can be generated by hydro or nuclear, with zero emissions.

By 2050, the POV of the article, we could be generating 100% of our electricity from these two sources if we decided to. The obstacles are political, not technical.

Electricity can even be produced by wind or solar, though those are a lot more expensive and inefficient.

3 posted on 02/03/2014 5:24:00 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: SeekAndFind
Don't Expect Electric Cars To Save The Environment

Okay.

4 posted on 02/03/2014 5:26:33 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: SeekAndFind
Small Correction to the Headline:

Don't Expect Electric Coal-Powered Cars To Save The Environment

5 posted on 02/03/2014 5:29:19 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: SeekAndFind
Please explain how a car powered by coal is going to benefit the environment — especially when Obama is busy destroying the coal industry and coal-fired generating plants? I guess the environmentalists will have to sit in their immobile EVs with dead batteries and imagine they are going somewhere. Dead batteries won't take you anywhere.
6 posted on 02/03/2014 6:39:24 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: SeekAndFind

Why are we continually hearing this nonsense about CO2 being a pollutant? If the people who spout this ever read a science book,they’d know better.


7 posted on 02/03/2014 6:57:10 AM PST by oldtech
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I am no "enviro-whacko greenie." Here are the reasons for my continued interest in Electric Cars:

(1) Electric drive trains are simpler and mechanically more efficient than ICE drive trains. The potential exists for longer lasting, more reliable vehicles.

(2) A car that runs on electricity DOES NOT CARE where the electricity comes from. Coal (which we have a lot of), Nukes, Hydro, Natural Gas, etc. Therefore, an electric drive car is by definition the most "flex fuel" car you could ask for.

Electric cars have been maddeningly close to practical acceptance for a couple of decades now. There are definite technical hurdles left unsolved, most singularly the "battery problem". I am confident that manufacturing processes in the future will allow the creation of safe, "super batteries" such as conventional lead acid batteries using nano technology to increase the power generating surface area in the cells.

Obviously, we are not there yet. I have no problem when companies experiment on new, not ready for prime time things (without the Apple Newton, we would never have had the Apple iPhone). I do have a problem when the Government forces taxpayers to take such risks involuntarily.
8 posted on 02/03/2014 8:35:01 AM PST by Rebel_Ace (Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
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I agree with you. Another point to add is that the performance configurations of an electric motor, unlike an I.C.E., are virtualy limitless. Once they perfect the battery issues and can produce a car that can get at least 300 MPGe and recharge in less than 15 minutes you can sign me up!


9 posted on 02/03/2014 8:52:23 AM PST by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The new Tesla has a range of 300 miles. Though you probably would get less in reality we are starting to head in the right direction. You can even go coast to coast using their free charging stations. That would be an adventure.

http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger

10 posted on 02/03/2014 8:53:07 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: SeekAndFind; 3boysdad; Mike Darancette; Rebel_Ace; oldtech; MasterGunner01; WayneS; Sacajaweau

I don’t expect electric cars to save the environment. But in the next 15 years I do think that electric cars will be responsible for killing the demand for oil and therefor killing the price of oil and therefor killing the guilt offerings that gulf crabs pay to madrases all over the world that supply the new recruits for various jihad movements. Without money these madrases will close down and the supply of jihads will dry up. War over.

In 2011 the USA produced 20,000 electric cars. In 2013 the USA produced 90,000 electric cars. This is a drop in the ocean. But the trend is good. Tesla alone expects to double their production of cars this year from 2013’s 20k cars to 40k cars in 2014. Tesla alone wants to be producing 500k cars globally and 250k cars domestically by the end of the decade. Still a drop in the bucket for world wide demand.

But Tesla is spurring the other automakers to push their production of electric cars so worldwide production of electric cars will run to several million in 2020. This is still a small fraction of worldwide purchases of automobiles. However, from a base of several million purchases in 2020—world wide production of electric vehicles could easily grab half the world’s demand for cars in the following decade.

Some technological developements will need to happen. Tesla promises to have an electric car that can go up to 300 miles for 35k in 2016. If they succeed, that will be decisive.

As well, the new demand for electricity will have to be met by such things as fourth generation nuclear reactors like lftr thorium reactors.

Likely in a year or three a very public world wide competition among several countries and companies will break out to be the first to develop lftr thorium reactors.


11 posted on 02/03/2014 10:59:08 AM PST by ckilmer
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