Posted on 01/27/2014 3:28:50 PM PST by Kaslin
So your advice for the GOP and conservatives in reversing Obama’s rulings and gay marriage is to start campaigning politically on erasing all marriage and divorce laws in America.
Why do you insist on wasting this time on such nonsense?
With your plan, gay marriage is permanent and polygamy is coming soon.
/The state already deals with what was formerly the domain of marriage and divorce laws (i.e. custody and property distribution) without a marriage or divorce ever having taken place./
AMEN!!! Marriage has become a political football. Crying, “What difference does it make?” is giving up the field. Eliminating marriage altogether is leaving the field but taking the ball with you. Do you want to give up, or do you want to deny the leftists victory?
“Do you want to give up, or do you want to deny the leftists victory?”
I think when it comes to state sanctioned marriage, denying the kakistocrats victory is about the best we’re going to be able to get. Ironically, I think we’re most of the way there because fewer and fewer heterosexual couples are choosing to get married in either the sacramental or civil sense anyway. I know of several young couples who have had kids recently, and I can only recall one that was married.
I believe that the churches would be wise to more routinely allow sacramental marriage, and to skip being the unpaid agents of the state in solemnizing civil marriages. Concurrently I also think conservatives should act to end the farce of civil marriage.
With the exception of various weird couplings that want to obtain state sanction and recognition, civil marriage is on it’s last gasps anyway.
Skipping all that because I don't have time to re-type that entire post due to leaving for work in a few minutes, the reality is this: Churches perform Marriage ceremonies. That ceremony follows the Biblical definition of One Man, One Woman and is blessed by God.
States perform Civil Unions. They simply cannot be called "Marriage" ceremonies because the term Marriage has a specific, Biblical meaning.
If we are to change the argument to our favor, we need to do the following:
1. Take back the word MARRIAGE. This means do not allow the word to be corrupted by the radical left agenda.
2. Correct the term "gay marriage" to that which it is: a gay civil union.
3. Recognize the fact that it does not matter if the radical homosexualized left wing of the Democrat Party calls it "gay marriage." What matters is what WE call it: gay civil union's. This is critical to not allowing the radical homosexualized left wing to corrupt the language.
4. This one's important: Get the State out of the Marriage "business." The reality is the State's only real interest in Marriage is twofold: Taxation or collecting a fee for the act to be performed by a Priest/Pastor, etc.. and secondarily to create laws around what happens when a marriage dissolves (who gets the kids, the car, the house, etc.. how much child support is and any alimony payments.) The interest in the dissolution of the marriage by the state is more or less so the state doesn't incur the burden of supporting children that are the product of a dissolved marriage.
If we REALLY wanted to impact the State (Federal, State, Local) then we as Christians would REFUSE to "register" our marriages with the state and refuse to pay the marriage tax - the fee one pays for a marriage license.
That simply means we have the Religious ceremony only, and tell the State to shove it.
That's how we get the State out of the "marriage business" and take back our culture.
Crap, I"ve missed my train!
/civil marriage is on it’s last gasps anyway./
That’s my point: there seems to be a one-way ratchet on the ‘liberalization’ of marriage. Nobody is trying to make, or even suggesting the idea of making, divorce harder to get. For 50 years we’ve ‘bravely’ fought against keeping people ‘trapped in loveless marriages.’ This one reform has thoroughly changed the idea of marriage from a set of duties into a taxpayer-funded endorsement of feelings.
‘Cause, y’know, we’re all extra-special little snowflakes who DESERVE to have our feeling CELEBRATED, ‘cause mere tolerance is really hate.
People aren’t getting married because unless you are going to have assets to shelter from probate or if you need to help out logistically with a severe illness, there just aren’t any advantages to getting married. At least not anymore. It took a while but people finally figured out that the main thing marriage does is pre authorize a guy in a long black dress to devide up your stuff. So people are avoiding it. They are starting to realize that just having kids invites government into their lives in big ways. If I have to list them, you haven’t been paying attention. The next phase is not just people refusing to marry, but refusing to procreate because biological imperative is overcome by common sense.
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