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Report details 'industrial' killing of 11,000 in Assad jails
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Posted on 01/21/2014 9:50:06 AM PST by nuconvert

A Syrian military police photographer has supplied "clear evidence" showing the systematic torture and killing of about 11,000 detainees in circumstances that evoked Nazi death camps, former war crimes prosecutors said.

Syrian officials could face war crimes charges as a result of the evidence provided by the photographer, who has defected, the three prosecutors said.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia; Syria; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: assad; iran; lebanon; propaganda; russia; syria; warcrimes; waronterror
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1 posted on 01/21/2014 9:50:06 AM PST by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert

I don’t buy it.


2 posted on 01/21/2014 9:51:01 AM PST by dfwgator
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“But 55,000 images provided by the photographer, who fled Syria after passing the pictures to Assad’s opponents, show emaciated and mutilated corpses.

Bearing signs of torture, some of the corpses had no eyes. Others showed signs of strangulation or electrocution.”

Guess it’s okay since he was tolerant of Christians / s


3 posted on 01/21/2014 9:53:08 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: dfwgator

Not my problem.


4 posted on 01/21/2014 9:57:24 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: nuconvert

Nancy Pelosi was unavailable for comment.


5 posted on 01/21/2014 9:59:30 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: cripplecreek

Exacty!!!!!!


6 posted on 01/21/2014 10:01:18 AM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11))
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To: nuconvert

It’s all good. Assad didn’t use chemical weapons here.


7 posted on 01/21/2014 10:04:02 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: nuconvert

We know Assad has supported terrorism for years. I wouldn’t have a problem removing him.

But replacing him with what?

I’ve heard Israel’s stance is they support the rebels because the rebels aren’t linked to Iran. They’d rather have bad guys who aren’t linked to Iran than bad guys that are linked to Iran.


8 posted on 01/21/2014 10:05:03 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: nuconvert

OMG!! We should go to war to help the other side! The ones who hate Christians and behead, and spread terror, and fly the black al qeida flag. McCains friends!

The ones we are helping in secret.


9 posted on 01/21/2014 10:08:02 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: nuconvert

Yes all the shaky states must be eliminated then in the vacuum the Saudis can fund their wahhibist villainy and then DC can fund their three letter agencies to “combat terrorism.” What a racket


10 posted on 01/21/2014 10:08:17 AM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: DannyTN

Israel’s support for any Salafists/Islamists is a short-term expedient for which the long term cost is not worth it, as they once found with their early support for Hamas as “better” than Arafat. Arafat was simply a “Palestinian ‘nationalist’ thug”, while Hamas is a bunch of Islamist thugs with a trans-national Islamist agenda.


11 posted on 01/21/2014 10:12:09 AM PST by Wuli
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To: nuconvert

Muslims killing Muslims. How is that bad?


12 posted on 01/21/2014 10:16:42 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: nuconvert; dfwgator
As long as Yahoo MSM reporters say it's so, it must be. We know that Obama, Democrats, the EU and the UN would never lie.
13 posted on 01/21/2014 10:19:02 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: nuconvert

Removing Assad is necessary as a means of isolating Iran.

But if you replace him with Muslim Brotherhood, you haven’t gained much.

In the press coverage of the Saudi intel chief and his meeting with Putin, he pointed to Egypt as the example. They would use the jihadists as a battering ram against Assad but they would not be allowed to rule. He implied that the military coup that removed Morsi was their idea and is what would ultimately happen in Syria if the jihadists won. Do I believe that?

Can you trust the Saudis? Meanwhile, the battering ram is slaughtering Christians.


14 posted on 01/21/2014 10:20:17 AM PST by marron
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To: nuconvert

I certainly wouldn’t put systematic torture beyond Assad as he has always ruled by fear. Is he worse than the Al Qaeda rebels? No but it doesn’t matter, our only legitimate interest there is in arranging some form of asylum for the Christians and others in a third country (not here directly - it’s too hard to vet them).


15 posted on 01/21/2014 10:28:30 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: marron
Can you trust the Saudis?

To build radical Wahhabi Mosques and fund terrorism all over the world, and contribute to US politicians? Yes, but to fly commercial passenger aircraft, not so much.

16 posted on 01/21/2014 10:31:01 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: marron

Caesar told the inquiry team his job was to take pictures of killed detainees though he did not claim to have witnessed executions or torture.

“There could be as many as 50 bodies a day to photograph which required 15 to 30 minutes of work per corpse,” the report said.

The photographs allowed a death certificate to be produced without requiring families to view bodies, and also confirmed that execution orders had been carried out, the report said.

Families of the dead were told that the cause of death was either a “heart attack” or “breathing problems”, it added.

So take pictures so someone could produce a death certificate? I’m sorry but am to assume that whomever it was issuing the certificate knew all the dead by face? The story may be true but if so the whole system there seems really stupid.


17 posted on 01/21/2014 10:38:35 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Muslims killing Muslims. How is that bad?

How do you know they are all Muslims?

Many Syrian Christians are public sector and private sector managers and directors, while some are local administrators, members of Parliament, and ministers in the government. A number of Syrian Christians are also officers in the armed forces of Syria. They have preferred to mix in with Muslims rather than form all-Christian units and brigades, and fought alongside their Muslim compatriots against Israeli forces in the various Arab-Israeli conflicts of the 20th century.
18 posted on 01/21/2014 11:55:51 AM PST by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: nuconvert
Guess it’s okay since he was tolerant of Christians / s

The stupid hurts.

Your option help Al Qaeda a know enemy who attacked us on our own soil kill Christians instead. Gee, there is even a name for that.

19 posted on 01/21/2014 12:08:35 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: nuconvert
Lawyers acting for Qatar, London-based Carter-Ruck and Co., commissioned the examination of the evidence.

Reuters has reviewed the report but it was not possible to determine the authenticity of Caesar's photographs or to contact Caesar.

So Qatar, which has been financing the terrorists so it can pipe its only natural resource, natural gas, through Syria to Europe, has its London lawyers present images of tortured dead people to the press just before the U.S. and Russia get together to decide what to do about Assad. They find three former war crimes prosecutors, out of dozens, who, for a fee, interview the purported photographer and declare him credible.

Qatar has gone from false-flag chemical weapons attacks against a pro-Assad Damascus neighborhood to suborning a rag-tag group of susceptible lawyers. Qatar's modus operandi is belied by similar facts. These spurious allegations come from the most violent group of bloodthirsty taqiyyah-practising dissimulators in the Middle East.

I'm beginning to understand why Assad and his father needed to act the way they did.

This just reinforces why the U.S. should stay out of Syria.

20 posted on 01/21/2014 12:21:29 PM PST by Kennard
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Abortion clinics?


21 posted on 01/21/2014 12:49:40 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Kennard
This just reinforces why the U.S. should stay out of Syria.

They need to stay out of the entire Middle East, and stop getting involved in the Intra-Arab, Intra-Muslim squabbles.

22 posted on 01/21/2014 12:51:42 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: nuconvert

So you’ve got two devils fighting. Let them fight. What does America have to gain there? Wasting American blood or money there is foolish.


23 posted on 01/21/2014 1:01:31 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: nuconvert

5 photos each. Did this occur on the same day?


24 posted on 01/21/2014 1:02:17 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: wiggen

At 15 minutes/body for 50 bodies it’s 12.5 hours. At 30 minutes it’s 25 hours. Seems fishy. Psyops for a second go at American military might to benefit the Saudis?


25 posted on 01/21/2014 1:04:45 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: nuconvert

I would support an insurgency movement to remove Assad from power and replace him with a pro-Western, democratic government that respects the right of ethnic and religious minorities. Unfortunately such an insurgency does not exist, the factions opposing the regime range from Sunni radical nationalists to outright Al-Qaeda.

Sad for the millions of innocent people stuck in the middle.


26 posted on 01/21/2014 1:06:59 PM PST by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: nuconvert

But since no culture is better than any other...


27 posted on 01/21/2014 1:53:11 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: nuconvert

SOMEBODY killed them.


28 posted on 01/21/2014 1:58:02 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: nuconvert

Assad killing people worse than him.

It’s like watching a death match between Hitler and Stalin.

You really don’t care who wins, just want one to die, and the other to get really hurt so you can pick him off.


29 posted on 01/21/2014 2:39:08 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: Lady Heron

I’m sorry you’re hurting


30 posted on 01/21/2014 3:00:02 PM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: dfwgator

Neither do I.


31 posted on 01/21/2014 3:22:05 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: nuconvert

Remember how we sent our troops to vastly improve Yugoslavia, and how successful it was? And how everyone there later LOVED us for doing that...?

OK, ok --me neither.

You remember THIS guy? At the time they screamed he'd been deliberately starved, that this was Auschwitz, and that the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo were latter-day Jews.

Ya know what? He's thin. Yeah, he's naturally just really thin.

Everyone saw that and in 0.0001 seconds made a snap judgement, and there was NOTHING THERE.

He's laughing because he understands his natural extreme thinness amazes the photographer --this has happened to him many times before at public pools, etc.

32 posted on 01/21/2014 3:37:20 PM PST by gaijin
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To: DesertRhino
OMG!! We should go to war to help the other side!

These are the ones Obama is helping:

Syrian rebels accidentally decapitate the wrong man, ask for public for ‘understanding and forgiveness (nationalpost ^ | | November 15, 2013 | Richard Spencer,)

US secretly backs rebels to fight al Qaeda in Syria (Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 8:20PM GMT 21 Jan 2014 | Ruth Sherlock)

33 posted on 01/21/2014 3:41:07 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: Georgia Girl 2

You beat me to it...

Not our problem.


34 posted on 01/21/2014 3:42:46 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: cripplecreek

Not worth one American life.


35 posted on 01/21/2014 3:43:46 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: gaijin
You remember THIS guy? At the time they screamed he'd been deliberately starved, that this was Auschwitz, and that the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo were latter-day Jews. Ya know what? He's thin. Yeah, he's naturally just really thin.

And the picture was faked to imply the men were imprisoned:

To film these refugees, Marshall and her cameraman Irvin entered a compound next to the camp area. Inside this small compound were a kind of garage shed, an electricity transformer station, and a brick barn. Before the war, horticultural products could be bought there and tractors and construction machinery had been housed in the barn. To protect all this from thieves, the compound area of approximately 500 square metres had been fenced-in with barbed wire a couple of years before. The erection of the barbed wire fence had nothing to do with the refugees, the camp or the war. The poles to which this barbed wire was attached are still standing today, and traces of the wire can be found on the west side of the compound.

When Marshall, Williams and Vulliamy entered the compound next to the camp, the barbed wire was already torn in several places. They did not use the open gate, but entered from the south through a gap in the fence. They approached the fence on the north side, where curious refugees quickly gathered inside the camp, but on the outside of the area fenced-in by barbed wire. It was through the barbed wire fence at this point that the famous shots of Fikret Alic were taken.

The unused footage shows how cameraman Irvin zoomed through the compound's barbed wire fence from various angles, apparently searching for the most dramatic shot. Most of the refugees in the camp were marked by their experience of the war, but few looked as emaciated as Fikret Alic. Yet he captured the camera's attention.


36 posted on 01/21/2014 3:53:50 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Assad’s responsible for over 100K dead Syrians, by far the bulk of the dead in the Syrian civil war, AND is a second gen thug, so this really doesn’t come as a surprise.


37 posted on 01/21/2014 4:21:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: NFHale

What cracks me up is all these morons flapping their gums about the right way to deal with this when the simple fact is that minding our own business is the only right way to deal with it.

They’re kind of like democrats but have a different way to blow money.

Every time we’ve removed a strongman in the mideast the country has collapsed into an endless cycle of violence with Christians taking the brunt of it. I’m starting to think that leaving Saddam Hussein in power was one of the smarter things the first Bush administration did.


38 posted on 01/21/2014 4:37:05 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Nuke them from orbit or leave them alone. Anything else is madness.


39 posted on 01/21/2014 4:42:33 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: cripplecreek

Prayer. That’s it.


40 posted on 01/21/2014 8:13:00 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: marron

>>>In the press coverage of the Saudi intel chief and his meeting with Putin, he pointed to Egypt as the example. They would use the jihadists as a battering ram against Assad but they would not be allowed to rule. He implied that the military coup that removed Morsi was their idea and is what would ultimately happen in Syria if the jihadists won. Do I believe that?

Can you trust the Saudis? Meanwhile, the battering ram is slaughtering Christians.<<<

Do you really think Egypt is pro-Saudi now? Prince Bandar is an opportunist, trying to make a bitter defeat to look like a victory. Every two-bit Egyptian anti-Morsi protester is able to connect dots between MB, AQ, Saudis and Obama.
And who the hug is about to be an obstacle to a jihadist rule once they have an upper hand? Assad’s regime and alikes were that obstacles since WWII, after the British left the area. Not the Saudis for sure. Saudi position is pretty much complicated to say the least. Their central idea in factual support of jihadis is to look like their own and deflect possible jihadi wrath from the Saudi royals.
They are pretty comfortable as soon as Arabs are busy to blame the Jews, America and Russia for their misery, instead of Arab ruling class.
IMO, Saudis went too far but result is still not guaranteed for them.


41 posted on 01/21/2014 9:14:11 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: dfwgator
The Nayirah testimony was the controversial testimony given before the non-governmental Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990 by a female who provided only her first name, Nayirah. In her emotional testimony, Nayirah stated that after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, take the incubators, and leave the babies to die. Though reporters did not then have access to Kuwait, her testimony was regarded as credible at the time and was widely publicized. It was cited numerous times by United States senators and the American president in their rationale to back Kuwait in the Gulf War. Her story was initially corroborated by Amnesty International[1] and testimony from evacuees. Following the liberation of Kuwait, reporters were given access to the country. An ABC report found that "patients, including premature babies, did die, when many of Kuwait's nurses and doctors...fled" but Iraqi troops "almost certainly had not stolen hospital incubators and left hundreds of Kuwaiti babies to die."[2][3] In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah's last name was al-Ṣabaḥ (Arabic: نيره الصباح‎) and that she was the daughter of Saud bin Nasir Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States. Furthermore, it was revealed that her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign which was run by Hill & Knowlton for the Kuwaiti government. Following this, al-Sabah's testimony has come to be regarded as a classic example of modern wartime propaganda.[4][5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)
42 posted on 01/21/2014 9:20:08 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

Yep, I have come to the conclusion that the first Gulf War was a colossal mistake.

Especially in the end, since we left Saddam in power, who from that point on vowed revenge against the US, and ultimately led to the second Iraq war to remove him.

Up to the First Gulf War, while he was a bad guy, he served as a buffer against the Iranians.


43 posted on 01/21/2014 10:00:09 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

>>>Up to the First Gulf War, while he was a bad guy, he served as a buffer against the Iranians.<<<

Not only he was a buffer against Iranians, he was also a buffer against Sunni radicals, known as Al-Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood.

The latter was probably a real reason of the Gulf War. Religious Arabs couldn’t stand it and joined their efforts to suck US into it.

It short, Saddam was a model secular dictator aimed to behead islamists of all colors.

Assad is similar in many ways but he is not in the same league. He also depends on Iranians for survival and for that reason only useful against Sunni terrorists, not the Shia ones.


44 posted on 01/21/2014 10:18:22 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish
The Nayirah testimony... was propaganda, true, but had nothing to do with the real reason to move against Saddam Hussein.

The real reason was that Saddam Hussein stood to end up with control, either direct or effective, of most of the Middle Eastern oil supply. 23 years ago, that was a much bigger deal than it would be today.

I suppose one can make the argument that if the US truly was an "Imperialist" power, we should allied even more closely with Saddam, say in return for leaving Israel alone. That would have given US defacto control of all that oil. But Saddam was such an unreliable, despicable sort, that it never would have worked for long.

45 posted on 01/22/2014 1:04:55 AM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: Paul R.

You are right. Testimony was instrumental in a way to form a public opinion against Saddam, because a few people could buy this war as straight as you described it.

Anyway, Middle East is not any better place right now and I think it made sense to seek leverage and keep Saddam in place.

It could have solved numerous problems, including muzzie terrorist threat.


46 posted on 01/22/2014 1:12:07 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: 1010RD

normally i find people here way too quick to be skeptical of a story, a report or claim in which the findings oppose what they believe. This story however, the numbers make little sense and they help vindicate Obama’s interference.


47 posted on 01/22/2014 3:17:14 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Yet he captured the camera's attention.

Why make up a thousand word lie, when one photo will work better?

48 posted on 01/22/2014 3:27:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: wiggen

So many wars; so few rumors of war...


49 posted on 01/22/2014 3:28:48 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kennard

This seems like agitprop...why not make it 10 BILLION people tortured? Those photos could have been taken anywhere, -possibly by the “rebels”.


50 posted on 01/22/2014 5:36:56 AM PST by gr8eman (How ya doin Bob?...Bitchen!)
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