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To: upchuck

They ignore the current constitution. What good would it do to get another one?


2 posted on 01/15/2014 4:59:35 PM PST by Luke21
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To: Luke21

Not another one... An Article V convention for the proposal of Amendments... The original Constitution would be unchanged...

Start with something the ENTIRE political spectrum agrees on... TERM LIMITS... You get a Term Limit amendment passed and a few things begin to clear up...


3 posted on 01/15/2014 5:06:14 PM PST by bfh333 ("Hope"... "Change"... You better HOPE you have some CHANGE after the next 4 years!)
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To: Luke21
Among Article V supporters, repeal of the 17th amendment is front and center.

Other structural amendments that enhance federalism, such as 3/4 state override of laws and scotus decisions, are changes that cannot be ignored.

4 posted on 01/15/2014 5:07:59 PM PST by Jacquerie (Article V.)
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To: Luke21
They ignore the current constitution. What good would it do to get another one?

It would not be a new Constitution. Rather, highly targeted amendments to the existing Constitution. Polling (sorry, no link) shows the two most desired amendments are term limits for politicians and judges and forcing the US to balance it's budget each year.

5 posted on 01/15/2014 5:12:53 PM PST by upchuck (Stop this abuse now! Get behind Convention of States: http://bit.ly/1ak1Iz9)
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To: Luke21
The amendatory process under Article V consists of three steps: Proposal, Disposal, and Ratification.

Proposal:

There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.

Article V gives Congress and an Amendments Convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, no more and no less.

Disposal:

Once Congress, or an Amendments Convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:

The State Ratifying Convention Method has only been used twice: once to ratify the Constitution, and once to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition.

Ratification:

Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three-quarters of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.

Forbidden Subjects:

Article V contains two explicitly forbidden subjects and one implicitly forbidden subject.

Explicitly forbidden:

Implicity forbidden:

I have two reference works for those interested.

The first is from the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative pro-business group. This document has been sent to every state legislator in the country.

Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers

The second is a 1973 report from the American Bar Association attempting to identify gray areas in the amendatory process to include an Amendments Convention. It represents the view of the ruling class of 40 years ago. While I dislike some of their conclusions, they have laid out the precedents that may justify those conclusions. What I respect is the comprehensive job they did in locating all the gray areas. They went so far as to identify a gray area that didn't pop up until the Equal Rights Amendment crashed and burned a decade later. Even if you find yourself in disagreement with their vision, it's worth reading to see the view of the ruling class toward the process.

Report of the ABA Special Constitutional Convention Study Committee

8 posted on 01/15/2014 5:16:54 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Luke21

Repeal of the 17th amendment is the my that will make correction possible even if no other amendment is ratified.


13 posted on 01/15/2014 6:09:51 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Luke21

The need is to restore limits on the feral government. The basic thrust of the amendments is to unequivicably empower the states resist and in some cases overrule the feral government. That is it in a nut shell. The restoration of federalism.


25 posted on 01/16/2014 5:53:10 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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