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Saudi letter concerning oil and gas has panicky tone
Toronto Sun ^ | Jan. 11/14 | Ezra Levant

Posted on 01/12/2014 6:00:03 AM PST by Dartman

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To: Dartman

the Saudis are not our friends


21 posted on 01/12/2014 6:29:51 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: RayChuang88

Very insightful and encouraging

I can’t wait for the Adam Smith chop


22 posted on 01/12/2014 6:31:41 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Dartman
“We believe that the threat is inevitably coming from shale gas, which (its production) is increased at high rates in the U.S. and Canada ... For us the issue is clear and it requires swift actions.” What swift actions would those be?

Actions = increasing campaign contributions to democrats.

23 posted on 01/12/2014 6:32:04 AM PST by Spirochete (Does the FedGov have the attributes of a legitimate government?)
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To: bert

He will miss being able to buy solid silver automobiles


24 posted on 01/12/2014 6:32:39 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Slambat
Didn't think I had to add, (/s), but there it is :)
25 posted on 01/12/2014 6:32:42 AM PST by Dartman (CDN PM Stephen Harper may not be perfect, but we don't have to be ashamed or embarassed of him.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Bump.

That is why conservatives really, really need to continue to develop conservative news sources.

Fox is good, but not great. And the Prince’s holdings are large enough to muffle some news.

We are still far too dependent on a very limited number of news sources.

Keep working on this, please.


26 posted on 01/12/2014 6:33:55 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: RayChuang88
1. Iran (and by proxy Iraq) is trying to negotiate an end its enmity with the Western world. If they succeed, that could open up gigantic oil and natural gas fields with the help of Western petroleum companies that are way under-exploited in Iran and Iraq--and these are potentially much bigger than found along the south shore of the Persian Gulf.

Which is another reason why Saudi-backed al-Qaeda is in Syria, trying to topple Assad.

A stable Syria could provide a way for Iranian and Iraqi oil and gas to reach a port on the Mediterranean, and thence to Europe.

27 posted on 01/12/2014 6:35:15 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Dartman

It is probably very ture that if Saudi Oil becomes less profitable their entire economy will collapse and the Saudi Shieks will lose power.

This would let the Muslim Brotherhood take power - which would be very very bad...

But they have ONLY HAD 50 YEARS OF OBSCENE WEALTH to do something about it... They could have developed their countries far beyond anything they have done


28 posted on 01/12/2014 6:36:55 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

The Chinese are going frack-happy on their own. Within ten years, they may be energy self-sufficient, thanks to US technology and American contractors.


29 posted on 01/12/2014 6:38:44 AM PST by pingman (In the Land of the Perpetually Outraged, truth is the enemy.)
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To: RayChuang88

The more, the merrier. I would think that if more countries would begin refining their own resources, the price would have to fall.


30 posted on 01/12/2014 6:39:29 AM PST by Dartman (CDN PM Stephen Harper may not be perfect, but we don't have to be ashamed or embarassed of him.)
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To: BCW

Sharia investing is a potent a form of economic manipulation similar to the oil cartel idea but it is not as easily controllable as the spigot emanating from the ground in country. Oil is still king of the roost in terms of political power and the power it gives to the House of Saud in terms of their ability to maintain power in the Arabian peninsula.


31 posted on 01/12/2014 6:43:55 AM PST by quantumman
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To: RoosterRedux
Bin Talal is also the guy who is rumored to have paid for Obama's Harvard education, such as it was.

See here

32 posted on 01/12/2014 6:46:54 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: bert; Vendome

The problem the man sees is that the non oil 8% of the economy does not grow. That is, he fears that the coming decline will not be mitigated by growth in other areas of the Saudi economy. His message is to his countrymen to develop other economic assets


Please correct me if I’m wrong. But don’t the arabs in general have a pretty miserable record (Over the last 100 years or more), in developing new industries or businesses of any sort without outside ‘help’?

Even their vaunted oil company, wells and production facilities were built by outside companies and were ‘taken over’ starting in 1982 and finished in 1988.

Also from experience and reading I believe that most Saudi’s think of themselves as ‘managers’ and wouldn’t ever think of sullying their hands with work. That’s why they import millions of people from other ‘Islamic Countries’ to do the work for them.


33 posted on 01/12/2014 6:47:11 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: PapaBear3625

Yep. And from what I hear, every word of that is true.


34 posted on 01/12/2014 6:50:43 AM PST by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing -- Socrates)
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To: Dartman

Saudi Arabia was never our friends. If they were, they would use their power to stop TERRORISM. With our own resources, we could tell the Terrorists to go pound sand. We need to tell them (the Saudis) that if they want our $$$, they need to recongize Israel. If they don’t, F them.


35 posted on 01/12/2014 6:52:03 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (2014theyearofdeadRINOs)
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To: Dartman

Good. The Sons of Ishmael need to go back to their nomadic existence to which they excelled at for thousands of years. Westernizing them has only embittered them towards us.


36 posted on 01/12/2014 6:54:50 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. DonÂ’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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To: Dartman

There is more than one way for Saudi Arabia to cope with fracking. One way is to develop other aspects of their economy. This would not be easy, because Saudi Arabia has pretty much nothing going for it beyond petroleum—unless they plan to market sand (theirs is poor quality BTW).

The other way to deal with fracking is to fund the anti-fracking, predominately leftist, forces. They can’t stop the technology of course, but they could influence western governments to essentially cut their own throats by banning or heavily restricting fracking.


37 posted on 01/12/2014 6:55:46 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion. The only constitutional rights protected by Democrats.)
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To: The Working Man
Please correct me if I’m wrong. But don’t the arabs in general have a pretty miserable record (Over the last 100 years or more), in developing new industries or businesses of any sort without outside ‘help’?

It may have to do with their culture in general ( see Shame, the Arab Psyche, and Islam ) and specifically with their tendency with being obsessed with "saving face" and being reluctant to admit to being wrong, which makes it hard to resolve problems.

I've dealt with Saudi military officers. They make pretty miserable managers.

38 posted on 01/12/2014 7:00:12 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: The Working Man

I believe you are correct. More Westerners are there working for Aramco then Saudis. They import 3rd world citizens to be housekeepers. If the West had any balls, we should get our citizens out of there and tell our ‘friends’, to F themselves.


39 posted on 01/12/2014 7:01:52 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (2014theyearofdeadRINOs)
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To: RoosterRedux

He’s also the guy who Giuliani told to stick his $10M check up his ass after 9-11 when he lectured us about our foreign policy.


40 posted on 01/12/2014 7:02:18 AM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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