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British plan ANZAC whitewash
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| 9th January 2013
Posted on 01/08/2014 2:13:41 PM PST by naturalman1975
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There's absolutely nothing wrong - indeed, I think it's a very good idea - to make sure the contributions of colonial troops from places in Africa and Asia are acknowledged. They fought for King and Country, and for the Empire, as much as any others - and perhaps with less reason to do so than some others, and they deserve to be remembered.
But failing to acknowledge the contributions of countries like Australia, Canada, and New Zealand isn't necessary to do that.
To: naturalman1975
Right you are. Perhaps we will see this once the
anniversery gets here.
Wish I could tour the battlefields.
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posted on
01/08/2014 2:17:08 PM PST
by
tet68
( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
To: naturalman1975
"The British pretty much lost the war in July 1918, they were in retreat and it was the Australians and New Zealanders who got put into the gap... they were the ones that held up the Germans in places like Hamel (Somme, northern France), with the Americans too but basically the well-trained Australians, pretty battle hardened by then, who stopped the Germans. If they had got to Amiens the game would have been gone because that was where the British communication system were. That needs recognition." The Battle of Hamel - 4th July 1918 - marked the first time Australian and American troops went into battle together. Four American companies (originally more, but some were sent elsewhere before the battle began) were incorporated into the Australian Corps under Lieutenant General John Monash.
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posted on
01/08/2014 2:19:38 PM PST
by
naturalman1975
("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
To: naturalman1975
Well after General Hamilton had so many ANZAC troops needlessly slaughtered on the beaches and hills of Gallopi, I would not be surprised if Australia and New Zeland would really want to be recognized.
To: tet68
I guess it is time to kiss the mother country goodbye
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posted on
01/08/2014 2:25:27 PM PST
by
munin
(MSNBC?)
To: naturalman1975
In his “History of World War II” Churchill often mentioned his fear that the Australian Prime Minister would pull Australian troops from the ETA and return them to Australia because of the Japanese threat.
He managed to keep them but I could understand the Australians position.
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posted on
01/08/2014 2:26:48 PM PST
by
yarddog
(Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
To: naturalman1975
Monash University in Australia (founded 1958) is named for Sir John Monash.
To: Maine Mariner
They might be reminded that this was planned by Chuurchill. There was an interesting aftermath between Turkey and Aust.and N.Z. This was led by Ataturk.
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posted on
01/08/2014 2:33:49 PM PST
by
Dr. Ursus
To: naturalman1975
Before the disease of political correctness runs its course around the world, we will have history books teaching children that African blacks developed the nuclear reactor, Mexicans won the war in the Pacific in WWII, muslims put the first man on the moon and homosexuals built the transcontinental railroad.
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posted on
01/08/2014 2:43:00 PM PST
by
Iron Munro
(Orwell: There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.)
To: naturalman1975
More PC writing of history to meet current political goals. Maybe Australia and New Zealand can find a creative way to express their displeasure ... if they even care what the remade, non-British, Britain thinks.
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posted on
01/08/2014 2:45:45 PM PST
by
Truth29
To: yarddog
Churchills fear was generated by British mistreatment of ANZAK and Canadian forces during WW1.
To: naturalman1975
Hmmmm...on the first day of the Somme, the ANZACs were the only ones who carried their objectives. Seems like a grotesque omission to me, as well as of the Canadians.
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posted on
01/08/2014 2:48:51 PM PST
by
Timber Rattler
(Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
To: naturalman1975
Although one of my grandparents was a British subject at birth (born in Ireland in the late 1800’s) I don't know much about the British empire.However,if an Aussie,a Kenyan,a Canadian,a South African (white *or* black),a Fijian or a Kiwi fought bravely for the King/Queen that individual should be honored,rewarded and held in high esteem.
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posted on
01/08/2014 2:53:31 PM PST
by
Gay State Conservative
(Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
To: Dr. Ursus
The Turks even have a memorial dedicated to The Anzacs.
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posted on
01/08/2014 3:04:26 PM PST
by
Mears
To: naturalman1975
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posted on
01/08/2014 3:06:36 PM PST
by
BenLurkin
(This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
To: Mears; Dr. Ursus
"Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives... you are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours... You the mothers who sent their sons from far away countries wipe away your tears. Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well." Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, President of Turkey, in a message to the families of British Empire servicemen who died at Gallipoli and who are buried there. Atatürk had commanded Turkish troops during the battle. It's an incredibly graceful statement considering he was talking about foreigners who tried to invade his country.
And it is why a memorial to Atatürk stands opposite the Australian War Memorial in Canberra - on ANZAC Parade.
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posted on
01/08/2014 3:16:27 PM PST
by
naturalman1975
("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
To: naturalman1975
At a dinner of the ABCA (America Britain Canada Australia) Armies Cooperation Group at the Royal Artillery Mess in Larkhill, I offered a toast that included this event among others where our armies fought and bled together. New Zealand was includes as well as they are members, but in an adjunct status at the time due to political considerations.
I did not mention Brandywine, Lundy’s Lane, or New Orleans as they were not in keeping with the spirit of the occasion.
To: Gay State Conservative
Precisely - it is a disgrace that the contribution of certain of the colonies that are now Commonwealth nations has been ignored in the past and correcting that is a good thing - but not by ignoring a different set of contributions instead. There's no reason it has to be one or the other.
(From World War II, but you can recognise both types of contributions together)
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posted on
01/08/2014 3:24:12 PM PST
by
naturalman1975
("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
To: naturalman1975
I suppose they were all carrying Enfields.
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posted on
01/08/2014 3:34:35 PM PST
by
yarddog
(Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
To: Gay State Conservative
No South African of non-European ancestry would have been allowed to join the military in WWI or WWII. Just so you know.
And yes by the time the PC illness further ravages the Western world it will be taught that blacks invented everything and whites are backwards racists worshiping and ancient tribal god of all that is unholy - greedy and wrong.
What a world that would accept this.
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posted on
01/08/2014 4:31:48 PM PST
by
Sheapdog
(Chew the meat, spit out the bones - FUBO - Come and get me)
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