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To: fwdude
Actually Creationists who assume a constant 2.4 children per fertile women are doing the assuming. The model is so bad, I would be tempted to assume that noone can be so stupid as to honestly believe it. If they posit that model dishonestly, they are lying. Of course we have seen many pious frauds created by religious nuts, for fun or profit. There were boatloads of fraudulent pieces of the true cross, created by the unscrupulous. This is another along those lines, but rather than fraudulently convincing someone of the resurrection, they attempt to fraudulently attack science, and all the advantages of modern medicine.

The birth rate is a small part of the story of human increase over time. Survival rates are the other part. High infant mortality, high child mortality rates, high adult mortality rates keep the population of the most fecund in check.

We have evidence of population resets; the documented mass deaths from the plague in the 14th century, deaths from the introduction of European diseases into North/South America,deaths from the Spanish Influenza in the 20th, the hundred million murders of Communism around the world in the last century, the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews. In pre history we can detect 16 scars from retrovirus infection that are common to both the Chimpanzee DNA and human DNA, showing not just our common descent from a common ancestor, but also indicating mass infections by retrovirus in our common ancestor, not just once, but many times.

Any evidence of 2.4 being a uniform universal constant? If you care to look, check the CIA world fact book that has fertility rates for just about all countries on the globe. What fraction of countries have a 2.4 fertility rate? Just about none. They range from Niger with 7.03 to Taiwan with 1.11. Does that mean the population of the world will soon be nearly all from Niger? Of course not.

The average is 2.45 when I checked just now, so your 2.4 factor is in error. Of course preaching error is what creationism is all about.

20 posted on 01/03/2014 11:44:55 AM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: donmeaker

Your long on rhetoric, short on math.

I’d rather see you debunk this with pure reason based on math than the vitriolic unnecessary rhetoric you present.


24 posted on 01/03/2014 11:52:01 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: donmeaker
"Of course preaching error is what creationism is all about."

Is that right. Well, do tell us what Jupiter, Juno, and Minerva taught you last time they came down from Olympus.

26 posted on 01/03/2014 11:56:20 AM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: donmeaker
...the hundred million murders of Communism around the world in the last century...

More like 250 million, truth be told, but the point is made.

46 posted on 01/03/2014 12:51:58 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: donmeaker

“The average is 2.45 when I checked just now, so your 2.4 factor is in error”

You post an answer with three significant digits, the article used two.

If the source data were calculated to four or more significant digits, would that not make YOUR factor in error also?

If you consider ONLY the countries of Africa (presumably most like the conditions experience by mankind for most of our (evolutionary) existence, the average is 4.475909091

If you only include sub-Saharan Africa, the number is 4.675

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html


57 posted on 01/03/2014 1:14:12 PM PST by BwanaNdege (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. J.F. Kennedy)
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