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To: Trod Upon
So you’re advocating the murder of...someone...because the state enacts a registration scheme?

If an agent of the state, acting outside the law, breaks into your home and kills you is it murder?
This is not entirely rhetorical: it happens so commonly there's a term for it — no knock raid.

This is without registration, with registration they basically have a list of names that they can kill or otherwise dispose of at will.

We've already seen the response of the government to Treason and, incidentally, State Sponsored Terrorism with Fast & Furious: nothing.
We've also seen that they will commit treason under the color of law, and that the courts will make logically incomprehensible decisions to continue allowing it. (The War on Drugs is a war on the Several States, therefore treason; it was held by the USSC in Gonzalez v. Raich that the non-commerce of drugs, falls under the drug-laws which are derived from the interstate commerce-clause as expanded to intrastate via Wickard v Filburn.)

So, having this list of gun-owners means one thing: a list of probable perpetrators, dangers to the state, provided to a group of people who can murder you with no consequence. It cannot end well.

but not acts of violence against...well, who exactly?

Any agent who says you must do this as opposed to those who flat-out say this is illegal and I cannot/will-not allow it.

Do not allow yourself to be provoked into rash acts. Your enemies are aching for some fool to pull something before the elections; they would see it as a gift from above to draw attention from the fact that they are running America into the ground. In fact, if nobody is fool enough to oblige them, I fully expect at least one manufactured incident before November. Probably more. Again, I hope that I have misinterpreted your post.

Then what? Bend over and take it?
Is Justice worth so little to you that nothing would impel you to take up arms against abuse?
Is "peace" worth so much to you that you would condone the forced enslavement of your countrymen to petty and whimsical 'law'?
Is "submission" so great a virtue that any with power must be obeyed?

If they're going to manufacture an event anyway, then you believe that they will lie to achieve the very thing here, no?

Perhaps I should have phrased it better as if you wait for them to show up at your door, you've already lost or don't let the enemy decide where to fight, but it's something that needs thought about. — Where is that line?
(I actually believe it's already been crossed, the extent of the corruption in government [IRS/NSA/DEA/BATFE/etc] is astounding — and we don't know the half of it… and nobody in government is rushing/vigious to address any of it.)

226 posted on 12/29/2013 10:02:16 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

There will be no fight. Connecticut has started it. In California it begins the First of January. By the end of the year,2014, there will be 10 to 15 more States on the registration bandwagon. Look for another “mass shooting” incident with the shooter using one of the “registered” type implements to occur. Also look for, should there be any organized resistance, child porn to be found on the leaders’ computers. Or things of a similar nature.


245 posted on 12/30/2013 5:33:03 AM PST by sport
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To: OneWingedShark

Revolt is coming.


262 posted on 12/30/2013 2:43:41 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: OneWingedShark
If an agent of the state, acting outside the law, breaks into your home and kills you is it murder?

Yes, I believe it is. But I understood your post as relating to passage of this fool registration scheme, not the extreme danger reckless no-knock raids pose to citizens.

This is without registration, with registration they basically have a list of names that they can kill or "otherwise dispose of" at will.

But that's a little bit into tinfoil hat territory. I mean, you surely don't think Connecticut is going to start whacking people on the registry? So I think this is really about whether residents will allow that state to interfere with their rights like this.

If you're talking about the feds and things spiraled that out of control, why wouldn't they just whack anyone who ever registered GOP, or was a member of the NRA. Hell, BATFE could simply request all Form 4473 records be turned over for automated scanning and get a list quickly that way. Assuming they aren't doing any on site scanning during FFL audits. Or compiling e4473s. If you have much other than grandpa's .30-30, "they" probably already know you are a firearms owner. Ever buy anything firearms related with a credit card? NSA probably knows it.

Any agent who says you must do this as opposed to those who flat-out say this is illegal and I cannot/will-not allow it.

And that's where you lose me. They can bang their gums together all they want about what people "must" or "must not" do, but compliance or noncompliance (with the risks it entails), or even leaving the jurisdiction altogether are still options to consider before doing something you won't live to regret but the rest of the pro 2A crowd would.

Then what? Bend over and take it? Is Justice worth so little to you that nothing would impel you to take up arms against abuse?

I'm damn sure not willing to countenance what I see as murder because a northeast nanny-hole lost its collective mind in response to a hideously exploited tragedy.

Is "peace" worth so much to you that you would condone the forced enslavement of your countrymen to petty and whimsical 'law'? Is "submission" so great a virtue that any with power must be obeyed?

They're not enslaved if the law is universally ignored and not enforced. What's more, they can leave and take their arms with them.

Perhaps I should have phrased it better as "if you wait for them to show up at your door, you've already lost" or "don't let the enemy decide where to fight", but it's something that needs thought about. — Where is that line?

That's a totally reasonable question to ask, and if that's what you meant in the original post then I will accept that I misinterpreted your intent. Sorry to open such a can of worms if that's the case.

(I actually believe it's already been crossed, the extent of the corruption in government [IRS/NSA/DEA/BATFE/etc] is astounding — and we don't know the half of it… and nobody in government is rushing/vigious to address any of it.)

I think we're in a spooky place as a republic, but there's still hope for a return to sanity through electoral and judicial process. Sure hope so anyway. Regards.
287 posted on 12/31/2013 10:19:22 PM PST by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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