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VISTA workers told their U.S. health plan fails test (unanticipated consequence of ObamCare)
New York Times ^ | 26 December 2013 | Robert Pear

Posted on 12/27/2013 12:56:13 AM PST by tellw

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration has told Vista volunteers and other AmeriCorps workers that their government-provided health coverage does not measure up to the standards of the new health care law, and that they may be subject to financial penalties unless they obtain insurance elsewhere.

The notice has surprised and worried workers in AmeriCorps, the federal community service program that is often described as a domestic version of the Peace Corps.

Mary Strasser, the director of AmeriCorps’ Vista program, described the changes in a bulletin to members on Dec. 16.

The coverage provided by the agency — the AmeriCorps Health Care Benefits Plan — “does not satisfy the individual responsibility requirement of the Affordable Care Act,” which takes effect on Jan. 1, Ms. Strasser said. Accordingly, she said, Vista members may be required to pay a tax penalty if they do not have other coverage and do not receive an exemption.

The impact on community service workers is another unanticipated consequence of the health care law, which is making coverage available at little or no cost to many uninsured people but disrupting coverage for others who already had it.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: americorps; crappycare; democrats; obama; obamacare; obamasfault; vista

1 posted on 12/27/2013 12:56:13 AM PST by tellw
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To: tellw

The Three Stooges couldn’t have designed a worse program than Obamacare. The sheer nerve of Obama, Dems and the Leftist who wrote this abomination of a law thinking they were up to the task is amazing.


2 posted on 12/27/2013 1:02:18 AM PST by Lawgvr1955 (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Lawgvr1955

There has been a lot written over the lack of any business sense within the inner-circle of the White House. If you look at the fifteen-odd characters who advise the President....none have real diplomatic experience, business experience, military experience, or banking experience. Maybe this would work out, if they asked and accepted advice...but that has never been shown to work with this unique team.

It’s kinda like Microsoft firing all of their top-level folks, and then hiring college students with degrees in political science to run the operation. They talk a lot and appear on TV....but they have no knowledge to base decisions.

I can’t think of any reason why I’d hire these characters for a foundation or real job after their White House stint. They mostly will just write books that no one buys.


3 posted on 12/27/2013 1:09:09 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

This country would be better run by firing the politicians and selecting the top spots in the Obama Regime and Congress by picking random names from the phone book.


4 posted on 12/27/2013 1:15:00 AM PST by Lawgvr1955 (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Lawgvr1955

Gee, I could have had a V-8!


5 posted on 12/27/2013 1:34:20 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (Take out the trash)
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To: pepsionice
It was written by a bunch academics that have endless theories of how things work without any actual experience. Reality and theory are often very different things outside the hard sciences. They set off to design a complex system without any incremental feedback and without any actual experience. Failure was guaranteed from the start. It's only going to get worse. This is just the purchasing phase of the law. The intro to the core of the law. Actually exercising coverage and receiving healthcare is the core.
6 posted on 12/27/2013 1:39:13 AM PST by DB
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To: DB

I would agree, by summer of 2014 is the point where the economy feels the pain. This deductible business....where you owe the first $6,000....is where you start to deny vacations, new cars, and limit college tuition. There’s a mini-recession by the close of 2014 for the nation. Might as well prepare for that bit of bad news.


7 posted on 12/27/2013 1:44:12 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Lawgvr1955

I’d rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University.

William F. Buckley, Jr.


8 posted on 12/27/2013 1:44:21 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: DB

I remember reading about the “planned economy” in the USSR.
No price or market feedback so counted on different “metrics”.

So shoe output was measured in total shoes produced.
This is why you end up with 1 style, all small sizes since they take less material.

Glass was measured in square feet produced. So its rolled thin and most of it breaks before it can be installed.

Wheat is measured in metric tons harvested. So what if most of it rots before it gets to market. Etc etc etc...

The just seem to never learn....


9 posted on 12/27/2013 1:50:01 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: Kozak

I recall the USSR ran out of toilet paper and matches, because no one remembered to order them to be manufactured.


10 posted on 12/27/2013 2:02:59 AM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM)
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To: tellw

They are just learning about this now? Interesting that government insurance doesn’t meet government mandated requirements.


11 posted on 12/27/2013 2:17:22 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

I doubt Obama has an empathic bone in his body. As a supposed community organizer, you’d think he would at least get this one right.


12 posted on 12/27/2013 3:01:30 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: tellw

Not to worry. I feel another “exemption” coming.


13 posted on 12/27/2013 4:29:10 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: All
FORGET KEEPING CHRIST IN CHRISTMAS, THE OBAMAS ARE HELL-BENT ON SAVING HIS PRESIDENCY, AND HER POLITICAL (hello, Hillary) AMBITIONS In a spine-tinglingly creepy scene in the Oval Office, the Obamas lectured assembled mothers on the need for indoctrination. Convincing young adults that they are not invincible is “our job as mothers,” the First Lady said. “Make it a Christmas treat around the table to talk about a little health care. Ring in the New Year with new O/Care coverage.”

TRANSLATION "Frankly, its a big problem. Sasha and
Malia say the Sidwell school crowd would rather have
unprotected sex with Adam Levine than enroll in healthcare.

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HERE'S ANOTHER FINE MESS BOOBAMBA GOT US INTO .....insurers calculated premiums on the expectation that relatively healthy folks already buying insurance privately would be buying on the O/Care exchanges. The insurers are not happy about Obama's latest delay --- the 14th, thus far---- announced Friday before he flew off to Hawaii. Insurers will probably ask for more money via O/Care's cockamamie “risk corridors” provision......

That means taxpayers will subsidize more and more of this boondoggle:

<><> insurance companies,

<><> those hustled onto Medicaid (the O team ditched the Asset Test),

<><>subsidies for enrollees who "say" it's unaffordable,"

<><>BIG BUCKS for little-used state exchanges, AND,

<><> $$hundreds of millions for Michele's dumbo Princeton pal's flopola website.

14 posted on 12/27/2013 6:08:10 AM PST by Liz
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To: All
The persistent Democrat drumbeat ---- "keep your plan" ---- is still ringing in their ears---as the historic straight Dem party-line vote for Obamacare commenced.

INCONVENIENT FACTOID As far back as 2008, at the presidential debate in Nashville, Democrat candidate Obama advanced his signature plan that was ultimately enacted (by an historic straight Democrat party-line vote) into the "Affordable Care Act:

OBAMA: "No. 1, let me just repeat, if you’ve got a health care plan that you like, you can keep it. All I’m going to do is help you to lower the premiums on it. You’ll still have choice of doctor.”

Repeated over and over ---- with the promise that every American would be saving $2500.00 on healthcare costs.

DEMOCRATS CHIME IN:

SEN. HARRY REID (D-Nev.): “In fact, one of our core principles is that if you like the health care you have, you can keep it.” (Sen. Reid, Congressional Record, S.8642, 8/3/09)

SEN. RICHARD DURBIN: “We believe — and we stand by this — if you like your current health insurance plan, you will be able to keep it, plain and simple, straightforward.” (Sen. Durbin, Congressional Record, S.6401, 6/10/09)

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): “If you like your insurance, you keep it.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/29/09)

SEN. PATTY MURRAY (D-Wash.): “Again, if you like what you have, you will be able to keep it. Let me say this again: If you like what you have, when our legislation is passed and signed by the President, you will be able to keep it.” (Sen. Murray, Congressional Record, S.6400, 6/10/09)

SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-Mont.): “That is why one of the central promises of health care reform has been and is: If you like what you have, you can keep it. That is critically important. If a person has a plan, and he or she likes it, he or she can keep it.” (Sen. Baucus, Congressional Record, S.7676, 9/29/10)

SEN. TOM HARKIN (D-Iowa): “One of the things we put in the health care bill when we designed it was the protection for consumers to keep the plan they have if they like it; thus, the term ‘grandfathered plans.’ If you have a plan you like — existing policies — you can keep them. … we said, if you like a plan, you get to keep it, and you can grandfather it in.” (Sen. Harkin, Congressional Record, S.7675-6, 9/29/10)

THEN-REP. TAMMY BALDWIN (D-Wis.): “Under the bill, if you like the insurance you have now, you may keep it and it will improve.” (Rep. Baldwin, Press Release, 3/18/10)

SEN. MARK BEGICH (D-Alaska): “If you got a doctor now, you got a medical professional you want, you get to keep that. If you have an insurance program or a health care policy you want of ideas, make sure you keep it. That you can keep who you want.” (Sen. Begich, Townhall Event, 7/27/09)

SEN. MICHAEL BENNET (D-Colo.): “We should begin with a basic principle: if you have coverage and you like it, you can keep it. If you have your doctor, and you like him or her, you should be able to keep them as well. We will not take that choice away from you.” (Sen. Bennet, Press Release, 6/11/09)

SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D-Calif.): “So we Democrats want people to be able to keep the health care they have. And the answer to that is choice of plans. And in the exchange, we’re going to have lots of different plans, and people will be able to keep the health care coverage they need and they want.” (Sen. Boxer, Press Release, 2/8/11)

SEN. SHERROD BROWN (D-Ohio): “Our Democrat bill says if you have health insurance and you like it, you can keep it…”(Sen. Brown, Congressional Record, S.12612, 12/7/09)

SEN. BEN CARDIN (D-Md.): “For the people of Maryland, this bill will provide a rational way in which they can maintain their existing coverage…” (Sen. Cardin, Congressional Record, S.13798, 12/23/09)

SEN. BOB CASEY (D-Pa.): “I also believe this Democrat legislation and the bill we are going to send to President Obama this fall will also have secure choices. If you like what you have, you like the plan you have, you can keep it. It is not going to change.” (Sen. Casey, Congressional Record, S.8070, 7/24/09)

SEN. KAY HAGAN (D-N.C.): ‘People who have insurance they’re happy with can keep it’ “We need to support the private insurance industry so that people who have insurance they’re happy with can keep it while also providing a backstop option for people without access to affordable coverage.” (“Republicans Vent As Other Compromise Plans Get Aired,” National Journal’s Congress Daily, 6/18/09)

SEN. MARY LANDRIEU (D-La.): “If you like the insurance that you have, you’ll be able to keep it.” (MSNBC’s Hardball, 12/16/09)

SEN. PAT LEAHY (D-Vt.): “[I]f you like the insurance you now have, keep the insurance you have.” (CNN’s “Newsroom,” 10/22/09)

SEN. BOB MENENDEZ (D-N.J.): “If you like what you have, you get to keep it” “Menendez is a member of the Senate Finance Committee, which is expected to release a bill later this week. He stressed that consumers who are satisfied with their plans won’t have to change. ‘If you like what you have, you get to keep it,’ he said.” (“Health Care Plan Would Help N.J., Menendez Says,” The Record, 6/19/09)

SEN. JEFF MERKLEY (D-Oreg.): “[E]nsuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it” “The HELP Committee bill sets forward a historic Democrat plan that will, for the first time in American history, give every American access to affordable health coverage, reduce costs, and increase choice, while ensuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it.” (Sen. Merkley, Press Release, 7/15/09)

SEN. BARBARA MIKULSKI (D-Md.): “It means that if you like the insurance you have now, you can keep it.” (Sen. Mikulski, Press Release, 12/24/09)

SEN. JAY ROCKEFELLER (D-W.Va.): “I want people to know, the President’s promise that if you like the coverage you have today you can keep it is a pledge we intend to keep.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Hearing, 9/23/09)

SEN. JACK REED (D-R.I.): “If you like the insurance you have, you can choose to keep it.” (Sen. Reed, Town Hall Event, 6/25/09)

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-Vt.): “‘If you have coverage you like, you can keep it,’ says Sen. Sanders.” (“Sick And Wrong,” Rolling Stone, 4/5/10)

SEN. JEANNE SHAHEEN (D-N.H.): ‘if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it’ “My understanding … is that … if you have health coverage that you like you can keep it. As I said, you may have missed my remarks at the beginning of the call, but one of the things I that I said as a requirement that I have for supporting a Democrat bill is that if you have health coverage that you like you should be able to keep that. …under every scenario that I’ve seen, if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it.” (Sen. Shaheen, “Health Care Questions From Across New Hampshire,” Accessed 11/13/13)

SEN. DEBBIE STABENOW (D-Mich.): “As someone who has a large number of large employers in my state, one of the things I appreciate about the Democrat chairman’s remark is — is the grandfathering provisions, the fact that the people in my state, 60 percent of whom have insurance, are going to be able to keep it. And Mr. Chairman, I appreciate that. That’s a strong commitment. It’s clear in the bill … I appreciate the strong commitment on your part and the president to make sure that if you have your insurance you can keep it. That’s the bottom line for me.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/24/09)

SEN. JON TESTER (D-Mont.): “‘If you like your coverage, you’ll be able to keep it,’ Tester said, adding that if Medicare changes, it will only become stronger”. (“Tester In Baker To Discuss Health Care,” The Fallon County Times, 11/20/09)

SEN. TOM UDALL (D-N.Mex.): “Some worried reform would alter their current coverage. It won’t. If you like your current plan, you can keep it.” (“What I Learned: About Health Care Reform This Summer, By Your Lawmakers In Congress,” Albuquerque Journal, 9/8/09)

SEN. SHELDON WHITEHOUSE (D-R.I.): “..it honors President Obama’s programs and the promise of all of the Presidential candidates that if you like the plan you have, you get to keep it. You are not forced out of anything.” (Sen. Whitehouse, Congressional Record, S.8668, 8/3/09)

Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) the 60th vote on Obamacare: "people who are happy with their current plan, wouldn't need to change it."

FRANKEN YOUTUBE SOUND BITE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCZmAYYNz8Ihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCZmAYYNz8I

15 posted on 12/27/2013 6:13:11 AM PST by Liz
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Report: Healthcare.gov couldn't verify Barack Obama's identity
examiner.com ^ | december 24, 2013 | joe newby / FRPosted by lowbridge

President Obama -- not exactly leading by example -- was finally signed up forObamacare in a symbolic move showing support for his own law. But, Fox News' Ed Henry reported Monday, the healthcare.gov system couldn't verify his identity, so his staff had to sign him up in person.

The reason, Ed Henry said, is that Obama's personal information is not in particular government data bases. "So healthcare.gov could not actually verify his identity, oddly enough," Henry said.

So Obama himself did not sign up for healthcare. Instead, an official told Politico that his staff went to the D.C. exchange in person to sign him up.

“Like some Americans, the complicated nature of the president’s case required an in-person sign-up,” the official said. “As you’d expect, the president’s personal information is not readily available in the variety of government databases HealthCare.gov uses to verify identities.”(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...

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DOG AND PONY SHOW---OBAMA's AIDE ENROLLED OBAMA AND NOT THE OBAMA FAMILY B/C TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING BIG BUCKS FOR THEIR INSURANCE.

Obama himself did not sign up for healthcare---his staff went to the D.C. exchange in person to sign up Obama.

STRANGE BUT TRUE Seems Obama's personal information is not readily available in the variety of government databases HealthCare.gov uses to verify identities.........

(NOTE---enrolling Obama w/ fraudulent documents, using several identities, stolen SS nos, and falsifying govt documents is a felony--should be investigated ASAP).

16 posted on 12/27/2013 6:13:45 AM PST by Liz
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To: Kozak
PJ O'Rourke did a quick take on what you just said.

Under Communism, if you order 3,000 pounds of shoes, you get one, 3,000 concrete shoe. If you order 3,000 shoes, you get 3,000 left shoes, size 7. If you order 3,000 pairs of shoes, you get 6,000 shoes, one style, one color, one size (e.g. black, women's Mary Janes, size 7). Under a Communist economy, you met the quota, exactly as specified. No variances tolerated.

17 posted on 12/27/2013 6:35:14 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: Liz

MO is looking pretty rough in that pic. I mean she appears to be exhausted and scared.


18 posted on 12/27/2013 7:10:13 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: tellw

Hearing this for some volunteer fire departments too.


19 posted on 12/27/2013 7:10:19 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Lawgvr1955
The Three Stooges couldn’t have designed a worse program than Obamacare. The sheer nerve of Obama, Dems and the Leftist who wrote this abomination of a law thinking they were up to the task is amazing.

When drafting the law, the DEMs used the expert legal services of:


20 posted on 12/27/2013 7:17:33 AM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Lmo56

And were aided by the Abbott & Costello rent calculator in determining the costs and economic impact.


21 posted on 12/27/2013 7:23:43 AM PST by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: tellw

Promise ‘em healthcare as a job perk, then tell ‘em that it won’t qualify? Serves ‘em right if they’re typical RAT voting dot gov drones!


22 posted on 12/27/2013 7:40:02 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: tellw

The America Corps and Vista people are PAYING THE PRICE for working for the Fed.gov, just like the military retirees are also. Don’t have ANYTHING to do with the Fed.gov in ANY capacity! Do NOT support the satanic Leviathan!


23 posted on 12/27/2013 8:01:02 AM PST by 2harddrive
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To: tellw
It's okay: people LOVE high taxes and prices.

Especially liberals.
24 posted on 12/27/2013 8:06:48 AM PST by Tzimisce
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To: Lawgvr1955

I received this from a friend

This is about the best explanation I have seen yet about what the democratic party is. Everybody wants “something for nothing” but people who are responsible know that somebody has to pay for those who don’t (whether they can’t or won’t – same difference, somebody has to pay for it).

I’m a 54 year old consulting engineer and make between $60,000 and $125,000 per year, depending on how hard I work and whether or not there are work projects out there for me.

My girlfriend is 61 and makes about $18,000 per year, working as a part-time mail clerk.

For me, making $60,000 a year, under ObamaCare, the cheapest, lowest grade policy I can buy, which also happens to impose a $5,000 deductible, costs $482 per month.

For my girlfriend, the same exact policy, same deductible, costs $1 per month. That’s right, $1 per month. I’m not making this up.

Don’t believe me? Just go to www.coveredca.gov, the ObamaCare website for California and enter the parameters I’ve mentioned above and see for yourself. By the way, my zip code is 93940. You’ll need to enter that.

So OK, clearly ObamaCare is a scheme that involves putting the cost burden of healthcare onto the middle and upper-income wage earners. But there’s a lot more to it. Stick with me.

And before I make my next points, I’d like you to think about something:

I live in Monterey County, in Central California. We have a large land mass but just 426,000 residents - about the population of Colorado Springs or the city of Omaha.

But we do have a large Hispanic population, including a large number of illegal aliens, and to serve this group we have Natividad Medical Center, a massive, Federally subsidized county medical complex that takes up an area about one-third the size of the Chrysler Corporation automobile assembly plant in Belvedere, Illinois (see Google Earth View).

Natividad has state-of-the-art operating rooms, Computed Tomography and Magnetic Resonance Imaging, fully equipped, 24 hour emergency room, and much more.

If you have no insurance, if you’ve been in a drive-by shooting or have overdosed on crack cocaine, this is where you go. And it’s essentially free, because almost everyone who ends up in the ER is uninsured.

Last year, 2,735 babies were born at Natividad. 32% of these were born to out-of-wedlock teenage mothers, 93% of which were Hispanic. Less than 20% could demonstrate proof of citizenship, and 71% listed their native language as Spanish. Of these 876 births, only 40 were covered under [any kind of] private health insurance. The taxpayers paid for the other 836.

And in case you were wondering about the entire population - all 2,735 births - less than 24% involved insured coverage or even partial payment on behalf of the patient to the hospital in exchange for services. Keep this in mind as we move forward.

Now consider this:

If I want to upgrade my policy to a low-deductible premium policy, such as what I had with my last employer, my cost is $886 per month. But my girlfriend can upgrade her policy to the very same level, for just $4 per month. That’s right, $4 per month. $48 per year for a zero-deductible, premium healthcare policy - the kind of thing you get when you work at IBM (except of course, IBM employees pay an average of $170 per month out of pocket for their coverage).

I mean, it’s bad enough that I will be forced to subsidize the ObamaCare scheme in the first place. But even if I agreed with the basic scheme, which of course I do not, I would *never* agree to subsidize premium policies. If I have to pay $482 a month for a budget policy, I sure as hell do not want the guy I’m subsidizing to get a better policy, for less that 1% of what I have to fork out each month for a low-end policy.

Why must I pay $482 per month for something the other guy gets for a dollar? And why should the other guy get to buy an $886 policy for $4 a month? Think about this: I have to pay $10,632 a year for the same thing that the other guy can get for $48. $10,000 of net income is 60 days of full time work *as an engineer*. $48 is something I could pay for collecting aluminum cans and plastic bottles, one day a month.

Are you with me on this? Are you starting to get an idea what ObamaCare is really about?

ObamaCare is not about dealing with inequities in the healthcare system. That’s just the cover story. The real story is that it is a massive, political power grab.

Do you think anyone who can insure himself with a premium policy for $4 a month will vote for anyone but the political party that provides him such a deal?

ObamaCare is about enabling, subsidizing, and expanding the Left’s political power base, at taxpayer expense.

Why would I vote for anyone but a Democrat if I can have babies for $4 a month?

For that matter, why would I go to college or strive for a better job or income if it means I have to pay real money for healthcare coverage?

Heck, why study engineering when I can be a schlub for $20K per year and buy a new F-150 with all the money I’m saving?

And think about those $4-a-month babies - think in terms of propagation models. Think of just how many babies will be born to irresponsible, under-educated mothers. Will we get a new crop of brain surgeons and particle physicists from the dollar baby club, or will we need more cops, criminal courts and prisons? One thing you can be certain of: At $4 a month, they’ll multiply, and multiply, and multiply. And not one of them will vote other than Democrat.

ObamaCare: It’s all about political power.


25 posted on 12/27/2013 8:28:20 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Don Corleone

Excellent!


26 posted on 12/27/2013 8:34:14 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Lawgvr1955

Pelosi: Obamacare will be ‘glorious’

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/23/pelosi-obamacare-will-be-glorious/


27 posted on 12/27/2013 9:13:26 AM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Lawgvr1955; All
The Three Stooges couldn’t have designed a worse program than Obamacare. The sheer nerve of Obama, Dems and the Leftist who wrote this abomination of a law thinking they were up to the task is amazing.

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I understand the analogy but it was completely uncalled for...The Three Stooges were accomplished and hard-working comedians...this mendacious poseur is the least qualified actor in any room that he walks into!

Moe to Barry: "Every time you think you weaken the nation."

28 posted on 12/27/2013 9:17:53 AM PST by Prov1322 (Enjoy my wife's incredible artwork at www.watercolorARTwork.com! (This space no longer for rent))
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To: Don Corleone
I received this from a friend

This is about the best explanation I have seen yet about what the democratic party is. Everybody wants “something for nothing” but people who are responsible know that somebody has to pay for those who don’t (whether they can’t or won’t – same difference, somebody has to pay for it).

Don Corleone... Excellent explanation of Obamacare. Thank you John Roberts (among others), worst Supreme Court Chief Justice since Roger B. Taney and the Dred Scott decision.

29 posted on 12/27/2013 10:13:25 AM PST by Lawgvr1955 (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: reformedliberal
Yeah, she does---I guess it was that Mandela episode that aged her.....ROTFL.

Michele had a snit---she glared ominously then got
up and sat between Bama and the flirtatious blonde.


30 posted on 12/27/2013 5:31:12 PM PST by Liz
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To: pepsionice
Government by dorm-room circle-jerk; with all of the sententious fatuity which only an Ivy League degree can provide.

NO cheers, unfortunately.

31 posted on 12/27/2013 9:12:20 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: tellw

Probably every one of those pukes voted for the loser!


32 posted on 12/27/2013 9:30:20 PM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Lawgvr1955

Don’t forget the Supremes that deemed it Constitutional. (major eye roll)


33 posted on 12/28/2013 2:25:51 AM PST by ~Pandora
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To: Liz

Lying demoCRAP bastards! May every one of them roast for eternity in Hell, starting with the commie muzlim pig 0dumb0sh_t!!! Which is where they are going, no doubt about it!


34 posted on 12/28/2013 9:26:58 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: rcrngroup

The similarity of words is stunning.

They’re all in lockstep-—pledging obeisance to Obamacare-—like unthinking loyal Nazis toeing the Fuhrher’s party line.


35 posted on 12/29/2013 3:24:38 AM PST by Liz
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To: Lawgvr1955
To all of my FReeper friends posting about the incompetence of the administration, writers of the O'care law lacking experience, etc, I am sorry to say you guys have it all wrong.

They are not incompetent at all, they are evil geniuses.
The point of the O'care law is to destroy private healthcare in a non-obvious way, otherwise it would be all to easy to point out the true goals of the socialists who have taken over our government.

36 posted on 12/29/2013 7:18:01 PM PST by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: SecondAmendment

I think that you are correct. This is planned. They may not have had the timetable correct, this advancing faster than they thought, but this is the intention of this program. To this point. Wait’ll you see what the intended final state of health care in the Excited States of America will be.

And you guys think that Canada is socialist. Got some eye opening to do here.


37 posted on 12/30/2013 9:02:24 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: tellw
Abby Grosslein, a Vista member in New Orleans, said she thought it was strange that the health benefits provided by a federal agency did not meet the standards of a law adopted more than three and a half years ago. “It would be nice if the government waived the penalty because we are a federally funded program,” said Ms. Grosslein, 24, who is completing her third year of service with AmeriCorps. “It’s as if the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing.”

What hypocrisy!

38 posted on 12/30/2013 2:10:42 PM PST by grundle
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To: DB

Exactly! Just like when the feds tell car makers they have to improve MPG and get better and better mileage, while these feds don’t have a clue how to build a trike!


39 posted on 12/31/2013 2:42:35 PM PST by buffyt (The only person who is safe in a gun free area is THE MANIAC WITH A GUN!)
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