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Engine from Makani Kai plane recovered
The Maui News ^ | December 18, 2013 | The Maui News

Posted on 12/18/2013 8:43:16 PM PST by WhiskeyX

The complete engine from the Cessna Grand Caravan that crashed off Kalaupapa has been recovered by salvage crews, the owner of Makani Kai Air said Wednesday afternoon.

(Excerpt) Read more at mauinews.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: fuddy; hawaii; lorettafuddy; naturalborncitizen; ntsb; recovery

1 posted on 12/18/2013 8:43:17 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

The thing is. When they pulled it out of the water. The word Dodge was visible on the top.


2 posted on 12/18/2013 8:49:16 PM PST by Revel
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To: WhiskeyX

I wonder if the Coroner will drop dead from arsenic poisoning as LA Coroner technician, Michael Cormier, did the day his office released the Breitbart autopsy report.


3 posted on 12/18/2013 8:49:44 PM PST by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: WhiskeyX
It's official folks! Green Biodiesel made from soy beans for $85 a gallon limits the performance of Pratt & Whitney turbofan engines. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a Caravan a single(centerline) line of thrust twin engine airplane?

You cannot be an air carrier operating over water, at night, or beyond a 50 nm raduis in a single engine airplane as an air carrier under FAA Part 121 certification. (or part 122, it's been a long-long time for me)

4 posted on 12/18/2013 8:51:26 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: WhiskeyX

The article has an incident wrong: Loretta Fuddy did not die during the crash — she died afterwards, floating on the ocean wearing a life jacket.


5 posted on 12/18/2013 8:54:20 PM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: blackdog

Bump


6 posted on 12/18/2013 8:54:50 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Revel

“The thing is. When they pulled it out of the water. The word Dodge was visible on the top.”

Careful, I resemble that remark, being a multiple Dodge owner. I still love that 318 V8 which just kept on running, running, running....


7 posted on 12/18/2013 8:56:57 PM PST by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: Yaelle
14 CFR Part 125 — Certification and Operations: Airplanes Having a Seating Capacity of 20 or More Passengers or a Maximum Payload Capacity of 6,000 Pounds or More; and Rules Governing Persons on Board Such Aircraft

This regulation applies to private and noncommon carriage when such operations are conducted in airplanes having 20 or more seats (excluding crewmembers) or having a payload capacity of 6,000 pounds or more. There must also be “operations specifications” issued to the operator which include the following information: • Kinds of operations authorized • Types of aircraft and registration numbers of the airplanes authorized for use • Approval of the provisions of the operator’s manual relating to airplane inspections, together with the necessary conditions and limitations • Registration numbers of the airplanes that are to be inspected under an approved airplane inspection program (AAIP) under §125.247 • Procedures for the control of weight and balance of airplanes • Any other item that the administrator determines is necessary Just as in part 121, subpart (E) identifies special airworthiness requirements dealing mostly with the mechanical devices of the aircraft.

14 CFR Part 135 — Operating Requirements: Commuter and On Demand Operations and Rules Governing Persons on Board Such Aircraft As the title of this section states, this regulation is applicable to short distance commercial aircraft operations or “commuters” and nonscheduled carriers that operate “on demand.” These aircraft are frequently referred to as air taxi or air charter aircraft. Preceding the regulation are several SFARs.

One of these, SFAR 36, is of interest to the technician because, although it is linked here directly to part 135, it is also linked in the text to parts 121 and 145. The significance of SFAR 36 is that it allows for a company with sufficient engineering and certification personnel to perform major repairs on products it is authorized to work on, without having the technical data approved by the FAA Administrator.

8 posted on 12/18/2013 8:57:16 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Yaelle
My bet is they were a part 135 operator. As was Barry Seals.

The question to ask is "What FAR are local government flight operations required to be certificated under?

9 posted on 12/18/2013 8:59:32 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: WhiskeyX
He added that the plane did not have a black box recorder.

Well now, ain't that just too convenient?

10 posted on 12/18/2013 9:06:54 PM PST by ASouthernGrl (BHO sucks - literally or metaphorically, you decide.)
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To: SatinDoll

A very critical point.


11 posted on 12/18/2013 9:09:16 PM PST by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: blackdog

“And correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t a Caravan a single(centerline) line of thrust twin engine airplane?”

I’ll correct you1 The Caravan is a single engine high-wing turboprop. You are thinking of the Cessna Skymaster which was a CLT Twin.


12 posted on 12/18/2013 9:15:22 PM PST by vette6387
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To: blackdog
Cessna 208 Caravan
Aircraft model
The Cessna 208 Caravan is a single turboprop engine, fixed-gear short-haul regional airliner and utility aircraft that is built in the United States by Cessna.
Length: 38'
Wingspan: 52'
Introduced: 1984
Engine type: Turboprop
Unit cost: $1,886,550(2013)


13 posted on 12/18/2013 9:24:58 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: blackdog

“Airplanes Having a Seating Capacity of 20 or More Passengers “

The 208 is an 9 passenger aircraft with 1 pilot.


14 posted on 12/18/2013 9:29:04 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: LyinLibs
I wonder if the Coroner will drop dead from arsenic poisoning as LA Coroner technician, Michael Cormier, did the day his office released the Breitbart autopsy report.

This administration makes the Clinton's look like Saints.

15 posted on 12/18/2013 9:29:39 PM PST by hockeyfan44 (No more RINOS!!!)
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To: blackdog

Interesting you bring Barry Seal up. I wonder if his family ever settled their case with the cia


16 posted on 12/18/2013 9:30:04 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: B4Ranch
"The 208 is an 9 passenger..."

Up to 14 with waivers.

17 posted on 12/18/2013 9:36:41 PM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: B4Ranch

(Over 6,000 lbs.)


18 posted on 12/18/2013 9:41:58 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: B4Ranch

“(or) having a payload capacity of 6,000 pounds or more.”


19 posted on 12/18/2013 9:43:39 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: B4Ranch

It’s only got a 2,800 lb payload. Full seats would mean about enough fuel to fly a touch-n-go. Fuel = 6lbs a gallon. Each person means 30 gallons less fuel.


20 posted on 12/18/2013 9:49:37 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: blackdog
All aircraft are designed with their most common usage in mind. If you want to increase the flight time you only have one choice - lighten the load. "The Cessna 208 Caravan is a single turboprop engine, fixed-gear short-haul regional airliner and utility aircraft ...
21 posted on 12/18/2013 10:18:58 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: SatinDoll

The sentence was written in the context of meaning the whole event related to the crash of the aircraft, including the events which took place after the aircraft ditched in the sea.


22 posted on 12/18/2013 10:29:28 PM PST by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: B4Ranch
But I thought single engine land certification prohibits night operations and flights beyond gliding distance over water. I remember flying passengers over Lake Michigan and I would have to do so @ 11,000 feet. I also remember flying Cherokee Six 300's from Fort Pierce to Freeport and could only do so during daytime. I was also required to carry personal floatation gear, a raft, and pyrotechnic signaling device(flare gun).

But that was decades ago.

23 posted on 12/18/2013 10:37:41 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: blackdog

I think we’re looking at an 119.21 operation. I don’t know their operation or flight areas.


24 posted on 12/18/2013 10:57:12 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: B4Ranch

I departed Wilmington Delaware once in a Cherokee in the middle of August with five persons plus pilot and four sets of golf clubs with full fuel. I used all 8,000 feet of a 10,000 foot runway and had an initial rate of climb of 100 feet per minute without stalling. The passengers thanked me when we got to their destination, for the lovely scenic view of the bay as we left because we were as low as the sailboat masts. After I burned off enough fuel and got into some cooler air I managed to squeeze out about 400 feet per minute. It took me half way to Charlotte NC to get to my filed altitude of 4,500’. If only they knew?


25 posted on 12/18/2013 11:04:52 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: blackdog

Nope, a 119.21 operation applies to Alaska islands only.


26 posted on 12/18/2013 11:05:01 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: B4Ranch

I’m betting a 135. Any tail numbers released?


27 posted on 12/18/2013 11:07:05 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: SatinDoll

~~~she died afterwards, floating on the ocean wearing a life jacket.~~~

Ah, so she survived the landing. Interesting.

Is there anything else pertinent? Inquiring minds want to know.


28 posted on 12/19/2013 12:02:49 AM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Revel

Prolly why it didn’t need a hunnerd hour inspection......:o)


29 posted on 12/19/2013 12:37:09 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: SatinDoll

“...but Fuddy “remained in the fuselage of the plane,” Honolulu Fire Capt. Terry Seelig told KHON-TV. “It’s always a difficult situation when you’re not able to get everybody out.”

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-hawaii-plane-crash-20131213,0,279382.story#ixzz2nupVKt2O


30 posted on 12/19/2013 2:32:52 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: PghBaldy

The first reports said she was in the water, her assistant helped her get into her life jacket, she was floating there talking to him and then she became unresponsive.

I think she probably died of natural causes. It’s possible, I suppose, that the plane was tampered with in hopes of taking them all down (her assistant, also on the plane, was also involved with the BC matter). However, I think the most likely thing is simply that the plane was overloaded and just went down.

I’ve been on that flight, and it’s a very tiny plane that has to fly over a very rough terrain and rough ocean with lots of unpredictable winds and conditions.


31 posted on 12/19/2013 4:19:14 AM PST by livius
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To: WhiskeyX

The Slant 6 was the winner of its era.


32 posted on 12/19/2013 5:13:26 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: B4Ranch
Cessna Grand Caravan

http://caravan.cessna.com/caravan/grand-caravan-ex
http://caravan.cessna.com/~/media/Files/caravan/grand_caravan_ex/grandcaravansd.ashx

33 posted on 12/19/2013 7:34:36 AM PST by Ray76
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To: PghBaldy

I believe the LA Times has inaccurate information, unless the man who was holding her hand when she died was wrong.


34 posted on 12/19/2013 8:47:26 AM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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