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To: Norm Lenhart

Norm... please do not leave. There are more of us than them and Jim is one of us. This fight must continue and you are fighting for good over evil. I have been driven from this place twice but I stood my ground and I do not regret it... and I am still here. I feel that GOD wants me here and I believe that HE wants you here too... at least I want you here... so don’t leave.

LLS


207 posted on 12/13/2013 3:53:11 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: LibLieSlayer; INVAR

Thank you for the kind words. I greatly appreciate it. That said, again, it’s not about me and to be honest, there’s not one of these idiots capable of driving me to do anything but mock them.

However:

There comes a time when one has to take stock of reality. And I am not saying FR is unique. It is just one of many sites plagued by pretend conservatives with pretend principles infiltrating it’s userbase and running wild.

None of what we currently believe to be Right wing/Conservative websites is immune. And to date, they each share one key feature. In the name of debate/free speech/open expression, many of the sites, and the people on them push and push and push the most unconservative/Right of positions. Things that a mere 10 years ago would have been hammered into oblivion by said sites and the actual conservatives on them.

If anyone can explain how “Compartmentalizing” (thanks for bringing that up Invar) things like Abortion, calling it’s supporters ‘a lesser Evil” and then attacking people who refuse to vote for them is in ANY WAY part and parcel of conservatism or a conservative philosophy, they should explain themselves/position so we can all accept r reject it and then ‘move on’ to the next issue.

And there are MANY next issues that must be addressed to determine what modern conservatism actually is.

When so many repeat ad nausem that we must have principled and honest leaders we can trust, then turn on a freaking dime and demand we vote for something quite the opposite, is there really any excuse? Really? Because if there is a legit excuse then not conservativism in any accepted definition, nor principle by any accepted definition. What it i, is situational ethics. And is situational ethics the polar opposite of principle?

by extension, are people practicing situational ethics principled? How can they be?

Words have meanings. And it is long past the time where we on the right need to look inside ourselves and ask what it is we really believe. Because I would again submit that if we don’t have a clue what we really believe, how can we ever hope to bring anyone along with it?

When a number of us spent months trying to get straight answers from people before, during and after the Romney disaster, no one wanted to hear it. Many were locked into fear mode or were ‘pragmatic” (read that fully exercising situational ethics). On this thread earlier, one of those people rehashed the ‘placeholder” meme.

What has that accomplished? Well, the facts and actual documented history show that their failed effort to install on open liberal as a republican president helped open the floodgates to a more liberal GOP congress and senate.

That’s not a fantasy, a lie or an opinion. It is a fact and anyone continuing to deny it in light of the GOP’s recent attacks on conservatives, move hard left on Amnesty/gay marriage, the refusal to pursue any more than a show trial/investigations over Holder/Bhenghazi/Clinton...

Is lying to themselves and more importantly, to the rest of us.

Now before one of the ethically flexible decides to call me arrogant/preachy/whatever, they should know that it ain’t arrogant to be correct. And I challenge them to factually disprove a single thing I have said here,

Now to wrap this War and Peace post up, I would say this. No man or handful of people is an army. Can they make a difference? Sure. However, we don’t have the luxury continuing a failed model. YEARS have elapsed as the current model has played out and the result is a fractured Conservative case that can’t do anything but point fingers at the GOP and be pissed.

Instead, we need to follow a 12 step kinds thing and ADMIT that we have a problem. Then fix it. And like the most hardcore of drunks/addicts, sometimes you just have to let them hit bottom before they are ready to begin the road to recovery.

Sometimes they don’t make it. And there’s nothing you or I can do about it. We have tried to turn these people over and over. Through facts, historical example and current proof. And like those drunks, they just go right back to the bottle rather than face reality.

When they decide to address their problem. I will be glad to do what I can to help. For now. Not so much.


209 posted on 12/13/2013 5:04:14 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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