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To: ifinnegan
What are you saying Snowden revealed that hasn't been known for years?

Having read cryptome for many years, I realize you are correct. Certainly anyone who looked into it even a little bit would know that the we spied on Brit citizens and they spied on our citizens and then they traded data. And that was just for starters.

However I also recognize Snowden as a traitor. No matter how clever or righteous he thinks he is, he violated his agreement and must be punished accordingly. If people want to erect statues of him, that's fine. But nothing can justify what he did.

69 posted on 12/03/2013 11:45:32 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: palmer

Yes.

Think about the Guardian.

They are as UK statist as possible and the UK has a much more intrusive domestic surveillance establishment than the US.

And we are supposed to believe that the Guardian’s intent is to guard the freedoms of US citizens?


71 posted on 12/03/2013 11:51:47 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: palmer

“However I also recognize Snowden as a traitor. No matter how clever or righteous he thinks he is, he violated his agreement and must be punished accordingly.”

Traitor to who? The NSA? The country? The people? Can he be a traitor to one, while a patriot to the others? If the government has betrayed the people, then are you still bound by oaths you made to it? Or has the government invalidated those oaths by failing to uphold its end of the bargain?


74 posted on 12/03/2013 12:24:28 PM PST by Boogieman
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