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To: raptor22

Kerry is a traitor and a fool. he may have been duped, he may be working for the other side.


2 posted on 12/02/2013 6:08:13 AM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Venturer

Kerry is simply carrying water for the administration. Their negotiations have gone on for at least a year or two...meaning neither Kerry or Clinton really were part of this effort. At some point, the public will figure out that the White House did much of the homework themselves for this entire episode. Duped? They simply didn’t believe the reports, and kept blind to the fact that they could be used (yes, they are that naive).

As for the outcome? The Saudis will not allow this entire episode to go beyond a certain point. If they have to buy weapons from France or Russia to ensure the Iranians are kept under control....fine, they will do so. The Russians already have this plotted out like some WWE-wrestling match. They see a weak Saudi Arabia, willing to buy all kinds of military toys, and then become a monthly customer.


5 posted on 12/02/2013 6:15:54 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Venturer
Duped? No, just a fool on a fool's errand. As I understand it, the deal capitulation doesn't even mention missile systems. So he really wasn't duped, he just had instructions not to include their missile programs in the deal.

I believe this is 100% intentional. I am convinced that obama wants and needs a war in the middle east. More specifically, he needs for us to be involved in a war in the middle east. He tested the waters in Libya. He tried to pull us into the Syrian civil war. (Putin outfoxed him easily there) So now he has intentionally had his boy Kerry broker a deal that is so resoundingly bad it will force the Saudis and/or Israelis to act, maybe even work together. (obama might have the stones to claim that as a diplomatic victory, getting them together)

Why? The simple answer is advancing world socialism. obama's crowning achievement is obamacare. It is just a stepping stone. It is an open secret that what they really want is "single payer" - aka total government control. So right now they have to walk a tightrope making obamacare bad, but not too bad.

If obamacare is too bad, then there will be a crashing wave of voters demanding action and Congress (to save their own political necks) might just be forced to act. So they can't make it too bad. They delay this or that part of it (after shutting down the government to keep it and keep it on schedule). They make the website horrible to slow signups to a trickle. (spreading out the dissatisfaction in time) They crassly delay the employer mandate until after their elections...

But then once it is rolling, it has to be bad, really bad. Everyone can see that it is so - by design. That way they can claim they are reluctantly "forced" to take action. (how many times have we heard that song from bammy?) They'll be forced to help out "hard working Americans" and protect them from those big bad insurance companies. Hey, they've already floated that meme - saying it is the insurance companies' fault for being mean and cancelling all these non-compliant policies, why, obama stepped in and said you can keep/renew your policy, what a guy! But let's not forget the reason the insurance companies cancelled policies was because they were complying with the law, obamacare, rather than face Holder's "justice" department. The insurance companies are basically in a no-win situation here.

So obama and the 'rats will sweep in and "save" us from the big bad insurance companies who have made life so difficult on the middle class. Conveniently ignoring that they were merely complying with the laws obama and the 'rats forced on us in a 100% party-line vote. (ie. zero GOP support) They'll go for their real goal - single payer and complete government control of our healthcare.

But to get there, they have got to ride out this rising tide of unhappy voters. Voters who have been struggling to keep or find work in the obama economy. Voters who are seeing their coverage cancelled and replaced with far more expensive, yet quantifiably worse coverage. Voters who manage to keep their policies, but see their coverage options narrowing and increasing in price. So while there is no crashing wave of tens of millions of angry voters, there is a rising tide leaking through the signup process.

To combat that they are resorting to what every tin-pot dictator has done for the last 150 years when faced with an intractable problem at home: start a foreign war. You can see them laying the groundwork for this over the past several years. Alienate our allies, embolden our enemies. Libya was a trial run. Syria was an attempt, but maybe only half-hearted as the timing wasn't quite right. (tad bit too soon) Now they've managed to back Israel (and to a lesser extent Saudi Arabia) into a corner. One or two more pushes to embolden Iran and increase the pressure on Israel... If Netanyahu really wants to get back at obama, he'll sit tight and not do anything. No matter what excrement obama and his minions pull. Netanyahu can sit tight and leave obama dangling with his wildly unpopular obamacare and no war to distract us. That would pretty well guarantee a GOP controlled Congress and 100% gridlock for obama's last two years. No single payer. Look for the administration to pull out all the stops. Hey, they were willing to sacrifice dozens, even hundreds of Mexican lives to further their gun-control agenda. How many Israelis, Saudis, and Iranians do you think they're willing to sacrifice to get single-payer socialized medicine in the US?

16 posted on 12/02/2013 6:40:53 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Venturer

Kerry is out to serve only one entity - himself. He perceives himself to be a great diplomat and statesman. Sure, it bears no resemblance to the real world, but it is a fantasy that Kerry enjoys.


19 posted on 12/02/2013 6:52:21 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Venturer

Once again Kerry is standing with the people who hate the United States.


25 posted on 12/02/2013 8:43:04 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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